[Healeys] Clutch push rod. Slipping clutch/overdrive

[josef-eckert--- via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>]

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Bill,
I am working in the classic car business and I call me an expert in car=20
electrics. When I get a question, often I know the cause of the problem.=20
I am also responsible maintaining and repair cars in a bigger classic car=
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collection.

But in order to reliably identify the cause of the problem, I also have to =
carry out certain measurements and if I can't do this myself and have to ex=
plain=20
to someone what to do, then it's often pointless. The other person probably=
 doesn't have the necessary measuring device and maybe he doesn't even
understand what else I need to know in order to be able to help at all via =
the Internet. The individual components of the vehicle's electrical system =
and=20
their function and interaction with each other are often not clear to the q=
uestioner. He is simply overwhelmed. If people then answer who don't recogn=
ize
the problem themselves and send the questioner in completely the wrong dire=
ction, then I usually give up because there is no solution in sight.
 When it comes to overdrive or clutch problems, I can probably find out ver=
y quickly whether the clutch or overdrive is the cause. But I have to drive=
 the=20
car myself, otherwise I'm going around in circles trying to find the cause.
 Resume: The internet is nice, but you can only give help with small errors=
. Otherwise it can end up in chaos and cause more damage than it actually=
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helps. This is often more expensive than taking the car directly to a compe=
tent workshop. Most times its better to tell the questioner to bring his ca=
r to a=20
competent garage. I suspect that=C2=B4s easier here in Europe than in the l=
ess dense areas of the United States or Australia.

Josef Eckert
K=C3=B6nigswinter/Germany
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-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Clutch push rod. Slipping clutch/overdrive
Datum: 2024-07-01T00:19:48+0200
Von: "WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" <ynotink@msn.com>
An: "josef-eckert--- via Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net>, "Bob Spidell"=
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<josef-eckert@t-online.de>
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The world is full of self described =E2=80=9Cexperts=E2=80=9D, many of whom=
 have no more=20
insight into any particular question than the average participant  on this=
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forum. Half the value is in the speculation about the problem and the=20
eventual solution. And the other half is in the educational value for the=
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confused questioner.=20
Are you saying that no one should ask questions, or that only =E2=80=9Cexpe=
rts=E2=80=9D=20
should answer? In that case nobody learns anything and in many cases the=20
questioner remains confused and frustrated many times ending in an=20
advertisement stating =E2=80=9CRan when parked=E2=80=9D. That does nothing =
to benefit=20
owners or the hobby.
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via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2024 5:55 PM
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>; Healey, Forum=20
<healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch push rod. Slipping clutch/overdrive
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The point for an answerer is, you usually do not know about the skills of=
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the questioner. So what can you expect, a semi-expert who knows what he/she=
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is talking about or one who even doesn=C2=B4t know of what he/she is talkin=
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about. Some questions even tell me any answer wouldn`t help the questioner,=
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as he/she even doesn=C2=B4t understand what`s ment with the answer.
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Clutch push rod. Slipping clutch/overdrive
Datum: 2024-06-30T19:26:37+0200
Von: "Bob Spidell" <bspidell@comcast.net>
An: "healeys@autox.team.net" <healeys@autox.team.net>
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I, for one, don't necessary expect a 'correct diagnosis'--or any diagnosis,=
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for that matter--when I pose a question to the List (or a forum). By the=20
time I post an inquiry, I'm usually out of ideas and I'm just looking for a=
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few more. Even absurd ones (first I've heard of this particular issue,=20
though I'm well aware of the function and frailty of the foot valve=20
mechanism). But that's just me.


On 6/30/2024 8:10 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys wrote:

    And don`t expect a correct diagnosis from people who are no experts and
    not in direct touch with the car.=20
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    Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Clutch push rod. Slipping clutch/overdrive
    Datum: 2024-06-30T16:57:03+0200
    Von: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
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    Goes back to the old adage ...
    Correct diagnosis is 50% of the repair!!
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    M

    On Sun., Jun. 30, 2024, 9:57 a.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, <
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      Toyota 5 speeds & 964's have master cylinders, too.
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      On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 05:52:36 AM CDT, Simon Lachlan via
      wrote:
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      Thanks to everyone who replied to that question. The mist has clear
      ed somewhat. Plainly the needs of the master cylinders is something
      that I=E2=80=99ve cruelly overlooked down the years. Seemingly I expl=
ored and
      took you down every avenue, looked at every suspect etcetc=E2=80=A6..=
all in
      vain. If it=E2=80=99s any comfort =E2=80=93 to you, I mean =E2=80=93 =
I had the gearbox out,
      the clutch off, the overdrive=E2=80=99s clutches rebuilt etcetc and a=
ll for
      nowt!
      Car=E2=80=99s performing well now. Fingers crossed. If it does it
      again=E2=80=A6..Toyota 5 speed or swap the brute for a 964 Sport!
      Simon

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<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">I am workin=
g in the classic car business and I call me an expert in car electrics. Whe=
n I get a question, often I know the cause of the problem.&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">I am also r=
esponsible maintaining and repair cars in a bigger classic car collection.<=
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s-serif;">But in order to reliably identify the cause of the problem, I als=
o have to carry out certain measurements and if I can't do this myself and =
have to explain <br>to someone what to do, then it's often pointless. The o=
ther person probably doesn't have the necessary measuring device and maybe =
he doesn't even<br>understand what else I need to know in order to be able =
to help at all via the Internet. The individual components of the vehicle's=
 electrical system and <br>their function and interaction with each other a=
re often not clear to the questioner. <span class=3D"Y2IQFc" lang=3D"en">He=
 is simply overwhelmed. If people then answer who don't recognize<br>the pr=
oblem themselves and send the questioner in completely the wrong direction,=
 then I usually give up because there is no solution in sight.<br></span> W=
hen it comes to overdrive or clutch problems, I can probably find out very =
quickly whether the clutch or overdrive is the cause. But I have to drive t=
he <br>car myself, otherwise I'm going around in circles trying to find the=
 cause.<br> Resume: The internet is nice, but you can only give help with s=
mall errors. Otherwise it can end up in chaos and cause more damage than it=
 actually <br>helps. This is often more expensive than taking the car direc=
tly to a competent workshop. Most times its better to tell the questioner t=
o bring his car to a <br>competent garage. I suspect that&acute;s easier he=
re in Europe than in the less dense areas of the United States or Australia=
.</span></pre>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">Josef Ecker=
t<br></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">K&ouml;nigs=
winter/Germany</span></p>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, san=
s-serif;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Clutch push rod. Slipping =
clutch/overdrive</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2024-07-01T00:19:48+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" &lt;ynotink@msn.com&gt;=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "josef-eckert--- via Healeys" &lt;healeys@aut=
ox.team.net&gt;, "Bob Spidell" &lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;, "josef-eckert@=
t-online.de" &lt;josef-eckert@t-online.de&gt;</p>
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<div style=3D"position: relative; color: #000000; font: 12px Arial,Helvetic=
a,sans-serif;">
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit; bac=
kground-color: #000000;">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit; bac=
kground-color: #000000;">The world is full of self described &ldquo;experts=
&rdquo;, many of whom have no more insight into any particular question tha=
n the average participant &nbsp;on this forum. Half the value is in the spe=
culation about the problem and the eventual solution. And the other half is=
 in the educational value for the confused questioner.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit; bac=
kground-color: #000000;">Are you saying that no one should ask questions, o=
r that only &ldquo;experts&rdquo; should answer? In that case nobody learns=
 anything and in many cases the questioner remains confused and frustrated =
many times ending in an advertisement stating &ldquo;Ran when parked&rdquo;=
. That does nothing to benefit owners or the hobby.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: #000000; font-famil=
y: Calibri, sans-serif;"><strong>From:</strong> Healeys &lt;healeys-bounces=
@autox.team.net&gt; on behalf of josef-eckert--- via Healeys &lt;healeys@au=
tox.team.net&gt;<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Sunday, June 30, 2024 5:55 PM<br=
><strong>To:</strong> Bob Spidell &lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;; Healey, For=
um &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;<br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Healeys=
] Clutch push rod. Slipping clutch/overdrive</span>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">The point f=
or an answerer is, you usually do not know about the skills of the question=
er. So what can you expect, a semi-expert who knows what he/she is talking =
about or one who even doesn&acute;t know of what he/she is talking about. S=
ome questions even tell me any answer wouldn`t help the questioner, as he/s=
he even doesn&acute;t understand what`s ment with the answer.<br></span></p=
>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">Josef Ecker=
t</span></p>
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serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">&nbsp;</spa=
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<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Clutch push rod. Slipping =
clutch/overdrive</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2024-06-30T19:26:37+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "Bob Spidell" &lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;</=
p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "healeys@autox.team.net" &lt;healeys@autox.te=
am.net&gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<div style=3D"color: #000000; font: 12px Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">I, fo=
r one, don't necessary expect a 'correct diagnosis'--or any diagnosis, for =
that matter--when I pose a question to the List (or a forum). By the time I=
 post an inquiry, I'm usually out of ideas and I'm just looking for a few m=
ore. Even absurd ones (first I've heard of this particular issue, though I'=
m well aware of the function and frailty of the foot valve mechanism). But =
that's just me.<br><br><br>
<div class=3D"x_moz-cite-prefix">On 6/30/2024 8:10 AM, josef-eckert--- via =
Healeys wrote:</div>
<blockquote>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">And don`t e=
xpect a correct diagnosis from people who are no experts and not in direct =
touch with the car.&nbsp;<br></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Clutch push rod. Slipping =
clutch/overdrive</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2024-06-30T16:57:03+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "Michael Salter" <a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-=
rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";> &lt;michaelsalter@gmail.=
com&gt;</a></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: <a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"=
mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";> "healeys@autox.team.net"</a> <a class=3D"x_=
moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";> &lt;healeys@=
autox.team.net&gt;</a></p>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Goes back to the old adage ...
<div dir=3D"auto"><strong>Correct diagnosis is 50% of the repair!!</strong>=
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><strong>&nbsp;</strong></div>
<div dir=3D"auto">M</div>
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<div class=3D"x_gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun., Jun. 30, 2024, 9:57 a.m. w=
arthodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"=
mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-lef=
t: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Toyota 5 speeds &amp; 964's have master cylinders, too.</d=
iv>
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<div>On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 05:52:36 AM CDT, Simon Lachlan via Healeys=
 &lt;<a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team=
.net" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
</div>
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<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div>
<p dir=3D"LTR" style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span lang=3D"en-gb"><span style=3D"b=
ackground-color: inherit; font-family: Times New Roman;">Thanks to everyone=
 who replied to that question. The mist has clear</span></span><span lang=
=3D"en-gb"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-family: Times New=
 Roman;">ed somewhat. Plainly the needs of the master cylinders is somethin=
g that I&rsquo;ve cruelly overlooked down the years</span></span><span lang=
=3D"en-gb"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-family: Times New=
 Roman;">. Seemingly I explored and took you down every avenue, looked at e=
very suspect etcetc&hellip;..all in vain. If it&rsquo;s any comfort</span><=
/span><span lang=3D"en-gb"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-f=
amily: Times New Roman;"> &ndash; to you, I mean &ndash; I had the gearbox =
out, the clutch off, the overdrive</span></span><span lang=3D"en-gb"><span =
style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-family: Times New Roman;">&rsquo;s=
 clutches rebuilt</span></span><span lang=3D"en-gb"> <span style=3D"backgro=
und-color: inherit; font-family: Times New Roman;"> etcetc</span></span><sp=
an lang=3D"en-gb"> <span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-family: T=
imes New Roman;"> and all for nowt!</span></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR" style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span lang=3D"en-gb"><span style=3D"b=
ackground-color: inherit; font-family: Times New Roman;">Car&rsquo;s perfor=
ming well now. Fingers crossed. I</span></span><span lang=3D"en-gb"><span s=
tyle=3D"background-color: inherit; font-family: Times New Roman;">f it does=
 it again&hellip;..Toyota 5 speed or swap the brute for a 964 Sport</span><=
/span><span lang=3D"en-gb"><span style=3D"background-color: inherit; font-f=
amily: Times New Roman;">!</span></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR" style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span lang=3D"en-gb"><span style=3D"b=
ackground-color: inherit; font-family: Times New Roman;">Simon</span></span=
></p>
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