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Re: [Healeys] Shock mount--BJ8

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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Shock mount--BJ8
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 07:39:00 -0700
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Great question, right up there with 'What is the meaning of life?' and 
one I've pondered myself.

I know the shop manual has a frame dimensional diagram, but I don't know 
if it precisely locates the shock mounts (I'm to lazy to dig the book 
out right now, and your frame is probably tweaked a bit anyway). All 
I've come up with is make your best guess by, as you suggested, 
measuring the 'good' side best you can then tack weld the mount (you 
should get close and, who knows, you might get lucky). Then, install 
shock and A-arm and GENTLY lower the frame to the ground and check 
alignment. Repeat as necessary then weld it in. I bought the full rig 
from these guys, since I have 5 cars and 2 tractors so it's 'justified' 
(NFI):

https://wheelalignmenttools.com/store/

... and have been happy with it (support is good, and they're based, 
IIRC, in Fremont, CA). I got a 'pro' alignment--with the fancy laser 
rig--for my Mustang and their rig pretty much agrees with it. Camber is 
the easy part, a direct measurement, but caster is a bit trickier. Make 
sure to account for the slope of the floor when taking readings.

I used offset trunnion bushings on my BJ8 and adjustable camber plates 
on the BN2 to set camber at zero, and feel handling is better than 
'book' setting (1deg pos). Caster is less than 'book' on both, which is 
less than used on most other cars, but both track just fine. I set toe 
at just a hair in; but haven't put enough miles on either to see if tire 
wear is improved (you'd need to start with new tires).

Bob


On 9/5/2023 12:09 PM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
> Years ago I had the right shock mount replaced because of a bad metal 
> tear in it.  I'm not even sure who did the job for me.  Over the years 
> since I have had bad outside tire wa=ear on that side.  I'm thinking 
> that when it was welded on, it was not placed properly.
>
> So----If I remove it and have it replaced with a new one, how do I do 
> about lining it up properly?
>
> I've thought about having the alignment equipment hooked up with the 
> unattached shock attached and moving the tire in or out until I get 
> the proper camber then clamping it to the tower and welding.  That 
> might be an impossible thing to do with the heavy shock hanging on.  
> Is it possible to measure the good (original) side and place it 
> according to that side?
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks--Tom
>
> Other than than that, how to I alignment it properly?
>

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    Great question, right up there with 'What is the meaning of life?'
    and one I've pondered myself. <br>
    <br>
    I know the shop manual has a frame dimensional diagram, but I don't
    know if it precisely locates the shock mounts (I'm to lazy to dig
    the book out right now, and your frame is probably tweaked a bit
    anyway). All I've come up with is make your best guess by, as you
    suggested, measuring the 'good' side best you can then tack weld the
    mount (you should get close and, who knows, you might get lucky).
    Then, install shock and A-arm and GENTLY lower the frame to the
    ground and check alignment. Repeat as necessary then weld it in. I
    bought the full rig from these guys, since I have 5 cars and 2
    tractors so it's 'justified' (NFI):<br>
    <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="https://wheelalignmenttools.com/store/";>https://wheelalignmenttools.com/store/</a><br>
    <br>
    ... and have been happy with it (support is good, and they're based,
    IIRC, in Fremont, CA). I got a 'pro' alignment--with the fancy laser
    rig--for my Mustang and their rig pretty much agrees with it. Camber
    is the easy part, a direct measurement, but caster is a bit
    trickier. Make sure to account for the slope of the floor when
    taking readings.<br>
    <br>
    I used offset trunnion bushings on my BJ8 and adjustable camber
    plates on the BN2 to set camber at zero, and feel handling is better
    than 'book' setting (1deg pos). Caster is less than 'book' on both,
    which is less than used on most other cars, but both track just
    fine. I set toe at just a hair in; but haven't put enough miles on
    either to see if tire wear is improved (you'd need to start with new
    tires).<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/5/2023 12:09 PM, Tom Felts via
      Healeys wrote:<br>
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        <div>Years ago I had the right shock mount replaced because of a
          bad metal tear in it.  I'm not even sure who did the job for
          me.  Over the years since I have had bad outside tire wa=ear
          on that side.  I'm thinking that when it was welded on, it was
          not placed properly.</div>
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        <div>So----If I remove it and have it replaced with a new one,
          how do I do about lining it up properly?</div>
        <div><br data-mce-bogus="1">
        </div>
        <div>I've thought about having the alignment equipment hooked up
          with the unattached shock attached and moving the tire in or
          out until I get the proper camber then clamping it to the
          tower and welding.  That might be an impossible thing to do
          with the heavy shock hanging on.  Is it possible to measure
          the good (original) side and place it according to that side?</div>
        <div><br data-mce-bogus="1">
        </div>
        <div>Ideas?</div>
        <div><br data-mce-bogus="1">
        </div>
        <div>Thanks--Tom</div>
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        <div>Other than than that, how to I alignment it properly?  </div>
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