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I have been using solid core copper wires and a Pertronix in my Bugeye for
20 years. Not even a hiccup.
Mike MacLean
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 6:17 PM Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
> Bob,
> Thanks for the link, I'll check this out and chase it down. I know also
> you said you were using the solid core wires, but on this website you sen=
t,
> it definitely advises against that. Like you, I wonder why. other than
> messing with a radio, I would see no disadvantage. And sense I have no
> radio, I don't mind messing with folks next to me and their radios!
> Stay tuned! (No pun intended)
> Steven
>
> On Aug 30, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Found some here:
>
> https://vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/austin_healey.htm
>
> Looks like there's two versions--'early' and 'late'--for 4-cyl Healeys.
>
>
>
>
> On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote:
>
> Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm one
> of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a question
> about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a change in plug
> wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon fiber. So how can tho=
se
> of you going back and forth from points to Pertronix doing it? Or, are yo=
u
> just sticking with the solid core wires?
> I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor"
> wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the condensor, i=
t
> fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though I did get a
> backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up.
> I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put
> everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it in
> the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close as
> possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out, made the
> slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game.
> I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which was a
> bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, put it bac=
k
> together and it now works just fine and now if I have trouble on the side
> of the road, I have a spare distributor to switch out.
> But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire
> question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. Or
> am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. Thanks!
> Steven Kingsbury
> BN1
>
> On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
> <michael.oritt@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points alongside the
> road in the dark. If you don't get the stack of insulating washers and
> parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to drop one of
> the bits down and under the car--with the same result.
>
> I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey about
> twenty years ago with absolutely no issue other than a cracked external
> ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced the module simply
> because I did not want to push my luck any further. On long trips I carr=
y
> a spare distributor with drive dog attached, allowing for quick and easy
> replacement and no need to worry about timing so long as I pay careful
> attention to the positions of the rotor and distributor body when switchi=
ng
> things out.
>
> On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure mode i=
s
> almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier whereas with points
> there is one more component (the condenser) plus very often when points
> ignitions go bad the problem is often partial and/or intermittent,
> resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose the problem with more
> sessions lost due to having more possibilities to eliminate.
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would
>> not have been disabled due to the points failing".
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dwflagg--- via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> To: ahbn6@verizon.net
>> Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
>> Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy
>>
>>
>> *Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon
>> a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity brother's
>> wedding. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the merc=
y
>> of tow trucks and **exorbitant fees. It was **determined** there was no
>> spark. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed =
the
>> **points,** and were both on our **way! Try** that with a Pertronix
>> unit!*
>>
>> *Doug*
>> *To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas
>> years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman
>> stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home=
15
>> miles =E2=80=93 put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the=
repaired
>> one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit*
>>
>> *John Sims*
>> *www.healey6.com <http://www.healey6.com/>*
>> *Matawan, NJ*
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Jim Ryan
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM
>> *To:* patrick williams <2x2doc@gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* List Healey <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy
>>
>> Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has
>> always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on
>> the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the sa=
me
>> manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare=
?
>> I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor,
>> including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm
>> very happy with the results.
>> Pat Williams
>> 1960 BT7
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<div dir=3D"auto">I have been using solid core copper wires and a Pertronix=
in my Bugeye for 20 years. Not even a hiccup.<div dir=3D"auto">Mike MacLea=
n</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 6:17 PM Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div>Bob,<br></div><div>T=
hanks for the link, I'll check this out and chase it down. I know also =
you said you were using the solid core wires, but on this website you sent,=
it definitely advises against that. Like you, I wonder why. other than mes=
sing with a radio, I would see no disadvantage. And sense I have no radio, =
I don't mind messing with folks next to me and their radios!<br></div><=
div>Stay tuned! (No pun intended)<br></div><div>Steven</div><div><br></div>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Aug 30, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Bob Spidell &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferr=
er">bspidell@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></=
div><div><div>Found some here: <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <a rel=3D"no=
opener noreferrer noreferrer" href=3D"https://vintageperformance.com/retror=
ockets/austin_healey.htm" target=3D"_blank">https://vintageperformance.com/=
retrorockets/austin_healey.htm</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> Looks lik=
e there's two versions--'early' and 'late'--for 4-cyl
Healeys.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div>=
<br></div><div>On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Steven Kingsbury
via Healeys wrote:<br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>Been =
watching this entertaining discussion from the
sidelines and I'm one of those: "it's your car, do w=
hat you
want" guys, but I have a question about the Pertronix shift.
According to the directions, a change in plug wires is
required. From solid core copper to carbon fiber. So how can
those of you going back and forth from points to Pertronix
doing it? Or, are you just sticking with the solid core
wires?=C2=A0<br></div><div>I tried going to the Pertronix, but th=
e base plate for the
"ignitor" wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the=
depression
for the condensor, it fit way off not quite 180 degrees but
close, and though I did get a backfire, I never got the car to
run and gave up.<br></div><div>I pulled the distributor, tore it =
apart, cleaned everything
up, put everything back together, refit it with new points and
reinstalled it in the car using the cell phone photos I took
to get it back as close as possible and bam!, she fired right
up! Got my timing light out, made the slightest adjustment and
I'm back in the game.<br></div><div>I have since been able to=
buy another distributor from a
BN1, which was a bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it
apart, clean it, put it back together and it now works just
fine and now if I have trouble on the side of the road, I have
a spare distributor to switch out.=C2=A0<br></div><div>But I may =
go the Pertronix path in the future, and the
solid core wire question is still in my mind. As well as the
placement of the ignitor. Or am I just using the wrong
Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. Thanks!<br></div><div=
>Steven Kingsbury=C2=A0<br></div><div>BN1<br></div><div><br></div><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><div>On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt <a href=
=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">&l=
t;michael.oritt@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div><br><=
/div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#333=
3ff">I've had
the pleasure of replacing a set of contact
points=C2=A0alongside the road in the dark.=C2=A0 If you do=
n't get
the stack of insulating washers and parts correct you
are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to drop one=C2=
=A0of
the bits down and under the car--with the same result.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I put a
Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey
about twenty years ago with absolutely=C2=A0no issue other
than a cracked external ballast resistor and about three
years ago I replaced=C2=A0the module simply because I did n=
ot
want to push my luck any further.=C2=A0 On long trips I car=
ry
a spare distributor with drive dog attached, allowing
for quick and easy replacement=C2=A0and no need to worry
about timing so long as I pay careful attention to the
positions of the rotor and distributor body when
switching things=C2=A0out.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"color:#3333ff">On my
race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the
failure mode is almost always total which makes
diagnosis much easier whereas=C2=A0with points there is one
more component=C2=A0(the condenser) plus very often when
points ignitions go bad the problem is often partial
and/or intermittent, resulting in more time lost trying
to diagnose the problem with more sessions lost due to
having more possibilities to eliminate.=C2=A0<br></div><div=
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael
Oritt<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at
8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:hea=
leys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.tea=
m.net</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div><div>Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the
answer is: "the car would not have been disabled d=
ue
to the points failing".=C2=A0<br></div><div>Gary<b=
r></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helve=
tica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><span style=3D"font-size:13px"><div>-----O=
riginal Message-----<br></div><div>From: dwflagg--- via Healeys <<a href=
=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">hea=
leys@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div>To: <a href=3D"mailto:ahbn6@veriz=
on.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">ahbn6@verizon.net</a><br></div=
><div>Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div>Sent: Mon, Aug 29,=
2022 12:00 pm<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy<br></di=
v><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id=3D"m_-1697662558408765258gmail-m_-7=
552218057579924020gmail-m_1594055351053211080gmail-m_-5893998475483822937yi=
v3368558838"><div><div><b><span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Also,
years ago whilst traveling the New
York State Thruway I came upon a
disabled Austin Healey whilst driving
my own to a fraternity=C2=A0brother's
wedding. This was before cell phones.
Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of
tow trucks and=C2=A0</span></span></b><b =
style=3D"font-size:16px">exorbitant fees. It
was </b><span><span style=3D"font-size:16px">=
<b>determined</b></span></span><b style=3D"font-size:16px">=C2=A0there was =
no
spark. With no tools but just a nail
clipper with a nail file, we filed the </b><s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:16px"><b>points,</b></span></span><b style=3D"=
font-size:16px">=C2=A0and were both on
our=C2=A0</b><span><span><span style=3D"font-=
size:12pt"><span><span style=3D"font-size:16px"><b>way! Try</b></span><span=
><span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"><b>=C2=A0that with a
Pertronix unit!</b></span></spa=
n></span></span></span></span></span><br></div><div>=C2=A0<br></div><div><b=
><span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Doug</span></span></b><br></div><h1><=
b style=3D"font-size:10pt"><span><span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">To
add more fuel to the fire, while
driving on the freeway in Las Vegas
years ago I had the rotor on my BN6
split in two. A highway patrolman
stopped and repaired it with super
glue and a rubber band. I limped
home 15 miles =E2=80=93 put on another =
rotor
and kept a spare for safety and the
repaired one in the parcel shelve
for memories. Try that with a
Pertronix unit</span></span></span></b>=
<br></h1><div><div><b><span><span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=C2=A0</sp=
an></span></span></b><br></div><div><b><span><span><span style=3D"font-size=
:12pt">John Sims</span></span></span></b><br></div><div><b><span><span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12pt"><a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.healey6.com/"; target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D=
"color:rgb(5,99,193)">www.healey6.com</span></a></span></span></span></b><b=
r></div><div><b><span><span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Matawan, NJ</spa=
n></span></span></b><br></div><div><b><span><span><span style=3D"font-size:=
12pt">=C2=A0</span></span></span></b><br></div><div style=3D"border-right:n=
one;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,22=
5);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div><div><b>From:</b> Healeys <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">heal=
eys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Ryan<br></div><d=
iv><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 29,
2022 10:12 AM<br></div><div><b>To:</b> pa=
trick williams <<a href=3D"mailto:2x2doc@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" re=
l=3D"noreferrer">2x2doc@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div><b>Cc:</b> List Hea=
ley <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"=
noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div><b>Subject:</b> Re=
: [Healeys]
Distributor guy<br></div></div></div><div=
>=C2=A0<br></div><div><div>Just wondering, the debate between
this unit and the original points has
always been that you can replace the
points in the event of a failure on the
side of the road. How difficult is it to
replace this unit in the same manner if
you carried a spare, and what would the
cost be for that spare? I'm referring t=
o
a1958 Bugeye here.<br></div></div><div>=C2=
=A0<br></div><div><div id=3D"m_-1697662558408765258gmail-m_-755221805757992=
4020gmail-m_1594055351053211080gmail-m_-5893998475483822937yiv3368558838yqt=
58837"><div><div>On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM
patrick williams <<a rel=3D"nofollow
noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:2x2doc@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">2x2doc@gmail.c=
om</a>>
wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote style=
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lid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right=
:0in"><div><div>It's been close to 20 years
ago, but Jeff rebuilt my
distributor, including the vacuum
advance diaphram, and put in a
pertronix unit.=C2=A0 I'm very ha=
ppy
with the results.<br></div><div><div>=
Pat Williams<br></div></div><div><div>1960 BT7<br></div></div></div><div st=
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