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Re: [Healeys] It's not the starter

To: jim <ab7vf@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] It's not the starter
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 10:23:00 -0700
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Just thought of another possibility: I=E2=80=99ve had solenoids going bad th=
at exhibited similar symptoms. Try bypassing the solenoid (can be done with a=
 couple large screwdrivers or jumper cable).

> On May 22, 2022, at 9:32 AM, jim via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:
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> High resistance in heavy current path from battery to starter (likely corr=
osion) to ground
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> (battery)-->>--(solenoid)-->>--starter-->>--(ground)measure voltage across=
 solenoid (could have high resistance contacts when operated)
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> Jim
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> connect voltmeter between battery and solenoid, note voltage (should be ze=
ro) try start, note voltage (should still be zero), section out heavy curren=
t path accordingly ...
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> On Sunday, May 22, 2022, 04:35:44 AM PDT, Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Hea=
leys <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Hello
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> A problem to consider.
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> Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder. R=
ebuilt about five years back, but seen next to no use.
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> Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the battery so c=
harged it, but no change.  Tried a brand new battery, but still no movement.=

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> Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away o=
n the floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?=

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> It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels n=
ot fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after=
 removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear, but no=
 more. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no further. Soon l=
ose interest in this manoeuvre.
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> What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the engine turn over? Thinking cap on=
 and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something at the top of the engine such as valve g=
ear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?
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> Any opinions out there?
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> Many thanks
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> Patrick Quinn
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> Blue Mountains, Australia
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jus=
t thought of another possibility: I=E2=80=99ve had solenoids going bad that e=
xhibited similar symptoms. Try bypassing the solenoid (can be done with a co=
uple large screwdrivers or jumper cable).</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite">On May 22, 2022, at 9:32 AM, jim via Healeys &lt;healeys@a=
utox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"ydp65a6404ayahoo-style-wrap" style=3D=
"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><=
div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">High resistance in heavy curr=
ent path from battery to starter (likely corrosion) to ground<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"f=
alse"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">(battery)--&gt;&gt;--=
(solenoid)--&gt;&gt;--starter--&gt;&gt;--(ground)measure voltage across sole=
noid (could have high resistance contacts when operated)</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Ji=
m</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">connect v=
oltmeter between battery and solenoid, note voltage (should be zero) try sta=
rt, note voltage (should still be zero), section out heavy current path acco=
rdingly ...<br></div><div><br></div>
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07327yahoo_quoted">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sa=
ns-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                    On Sunday, May 22, 2022, 04:35:44 AM PDT, Patrick &amp; C=
aroline Quinn via Healeys &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204"><div><div class=3D=
"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204M=
soNormal">Hello</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p=
><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">A problem to consider.</p><p=
 class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107=
327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early=
 C-Series six-cylinder. Rebuilt about five years back, but seen next to no u=
se.</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D=
"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Solenoid clicks, but no movement from th=
e engine. Must be the battery so charged it, but no change.&nbsp; Tried a br=
and new battery, but still no movement.</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055=
204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Out c=
omes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on the f=
loor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?</p><p c=
lass=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c10732=
7yiv3792055204MsoNormal">It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by h=
and. Gearbox tunnels not fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leav=
er the flywheel, after removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of=
 the ring gear, but no more. It moves back the same in the other direction, b=
ut no further. Soon lose interest in this manoeuvre. </p><p class=3D"ydp8c10=
7327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204M=
soNormal">What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the engine turn over? Thinkin=
g cap on and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something at the top of the engine such as=
 valve gear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv379=
2055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">=
Any opinions out there?</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &=
nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Many thanks</p><p cl=
ass=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327=
yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Patrick Quinn</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv379205520=
4MsoNormal">Blue Mountains, Australia</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv379205520=
4MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp=
;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div id=
=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br>
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