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To: "Roger Grace" <roggrace@telus.net>, <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com>, "Bob Spidell" <bspidell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive pressure not releasing.
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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 09:08:20 -0700
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There is a very small bleed hole in the operating rod that if plugged =
will cause the overdrive pressure to be very slow at releasing.

Remove rod and see if you can blow thru the it. Look in about the middle =
just below the ribs and you will see the bleed hole. It is most likley =
plugged



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From: Bob Spidell=20
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 8:24 AM
To: Roger Grace ; simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com=20
Cc: Healeys=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive pressure not releasing.

Wouldn't opening up an O/D with 500psi be kind of messy?


On 4/18/2022 8:03 AM, Roger Grace wrote:

  To confirm Michae's analysis, consider:
    remove ball, spring and plunger

    remove the valve push rod and inspect - I use a piece of steel wire =
of appropriate thickness to pry out.

    replace the push rod - it should go in smoothly

    insert the wire again and push down gently; with your other hand =
operate the cam and you should feel the operating rod move up and down =
on the cam.

  if not MS is correct and the pin/peg has failed....
  of course it could also be the cotter pin that goes through the =
setting lever - but less likely IMO

  BTW I have found that my OD (O rings) holds 400 psi for several days.
  rg




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  On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 3:21 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:

    That=E2=80=99s the one I=E2=80=99ve got. I did get an increase in =
pressure. No question about that.

    I talked to Dave at OD Spares with regard to the various =
accumulators out there at the moment. I don=E2=80=99t recall exactly but =
he supplies all of them to his customers and, I think, to the suppliers.

    Simon



    From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob =
Spidell
    Sent: 17 April 2022 23:06
    To: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
    Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
    Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive pressure not releasing.



    AH Spares has an accumulator and piston which uses an O-ring. It =
appears the pressure relief hole is chamfered:

    =
https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/performance-parts/gearbox-overdr=
ive/o-ring-conversion-accumulator-piston.aspx



    On 4/17/2022 12:03 PM, Michael Salter wrote:

      Actually Bob I've never used an  "O" ringed accumulator. =20

      I spent a little time many years back looking into using "O" rings =
on the accumulator but couldn't resolve the issue of the ring being =
chaffed when passing over the radial drillings in the accumulator body.=20

      Does anyone know how that has been solved?



      M



      On Sun., Apr. 17, 2022, 2:49 p.m. Bob Spidell, =
<bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:

        Michael,=20

        Sounds like you're implying the O-ringed accumulator is superior =
to the metal ring (OEM) type? Wish I'd known about it when I rebuilt my =
O/D (I bought the DWM 'uprated' accumulator).

        I'll throw out another, very unlikely, potential cause: the cone =
clutch could be stuck together. I've heard of this happening, but have =
never experienced it my self--nor has anyone I know--but it's =
theoretically possible (esp. if the clutch is excessively worn). Could =
this be the reason the manual is adamant about replacing the 8 strong =
springs, of two lengths, that oppose the operating pistons on overhaul, =
regardless if they still seem robust?



        On 4/17/2022 9:31 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:

          Simon,

          Based upon your synopsis I conclude that the operating valve =
is NOT opening when either the solenoid lever or the setting lever is =
being moved to the position where the operating valve ball would =
normally be lifted off its seat.

          This conclusion is based upon your discovery that the pressure =
in the accumulator, as indicated on the gauge, does not leak away =
overnight.

          There is a small clearance between the operating valve push =
rod and the overdrive housing. If the operating valve ball was indeed =
lifted off its seat all the oil in the accumulator would, over time, =
leak past the operating rod thus discharge the accumulator.=20

          This process would indeed take some time but would certainly =
completely relieve most, if not all the residual accumulator pressure =
overnight.

          If however the operating valve ball is still in contact with =
its seat (i.e. not being lifted) the oil pressure would not reach the =
small clearance between the valve push rod and the housing and, other =
than past the accumulator rings there is nowhere for that pressure to be =
relieved.=20

          I would presume that Overdrive Spares installed an accumulator =
with an "O" ring rather than the original cast iron rings. If the =
original type accumulator piston was still fitted, oil would seep past =
the cast iron rings to relieve the pressure, albeit very slowly, and =
again the accumulator pressure would be discharged overnight..

          The cam on the operating shaft, the one which lifts the =
operating valve push rod and thus the operating valve ball, is locked to =
the shaft with a small taper pin. I would guess that the taper pin has =
either fallen out or sheared.=20

          Bad news is that this pin cannot be accessed without removing =
and disassembling the overdrive.



          M



          On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 1:19 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:

            My OD is driving me mad and I definitely need some inspired =
advice. A bit of background first. I=E2=80=99ll try to lay out all the =
facts in a logical sequence. (I=E2=80=99m increasingly reluctant to link =
ODs with logic!)

              1.. I=E2=80=99d say that the OD has done +/- 15k miles =
since a total rebuild by Overdrive Spares here in UK.=20
              2.. The OD had issues before Christmas (21) and was sorted =
out by OD Spares. The accumulator was uprated and pressure issues =
sorted.=20
              3.. OD functioned 100% on the few times I=E2=80=99d been =
able to take it out since then until..=20
              4.. One day, the OD stopped functioning.=20
              5.. I checked the electrics. All fine there so I delved a =
bit deeper.=20
              6.. It had fried its solenoid which I replaced. =
But=E2=80=A6=20
              7.. That did not fix the problem so=E2=80=A6=20
              8.. I decided that the operating valve=E2=80=99s =
adjustment might be off so..=20
              9.. I bought a dial gauge and hoped to sort it out =
precisely rather than by =E2=80=9Cfeel=E2=80=9D, which I lack in this =
area.=20
              10.. Prior to using the gauge I decided to see if the OD =
was functioning at all so I raised the car on stands and fitted my =
pressure gauge.=20
              11.. I get a reading of 500psi rising a bit when I rev the =
engine but I=E2=80=99d suppose that would drop when the oil warms up.=20
              12.. BUT, and this is where things go =
pear-shaped=E2=80=A6moving the little lever on the RHS up and down does =
not engage/disengage OD. There is no change on the gauge to show OD =
engaging or disengaging.=20
              13.. AND, the gauge stays at 500psi even when the engine =
is off. Moving the lever 20 times has zero effect. Stayed at 500 =
overnight!=20
              14.. Of course, I checked for dirt in the operating valve =
area. None.=20
              15.. Likewise, the tiny hole in the =E2=80=9Cvalve =
=E2=80=93 operating=E2=80=9D (the spindle thing which the ball sits =
on)=E2=80=A6.that=E2=80=99s clear. And surely, the pressure would =
diminish overnight if something in that area was partially obstructed?=20
              16.. When I remove the pressure valve, there=E2=80=99s a =
small spillage =E2=80=93 no more than you=E2=80=99d expect =E2=80=93 but =
repeating the pressure gauge process only returns the same results.=20
              17.. I see in the bible according to Norman Nock that =
=E2=80=9CHolding this lever with your thumb and index finger, you should =
be able to push the lever down lightly about =E2=85=9C=E2=80=9D until =
you feel a slight spring pressure resistance. The lever should go down =
another =C2=BC=E2=80=9D after encountering the =
resistance=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D ie there=E2=80=99s about =
=E2=85=9D=E2=80=9D movement up & down in that lever. Well, my lever does =
move and does lift the ball, but there=E2=80=99s not =E2=85=9D=E2=80=9D =
movement there. Could that be the problem area???=20
              18.. Almost finished=E2=80=A6keep reading!=20
            So, I=E2=80=99m stumped. Every time I learn something new =
about the OD, it has a new trick to baffle me.

            I=E2=80=99ve no 100% sure way of telling whether =
it=E2=80=99s gone into OD  and stuck there or whether it=E2=80=99s =
simply not going into OD at all.

            I=E2=80=99ve done a lot of reading through my books and =
collection of advice from the various gurus and found reference to ODs =
being stuck but those seemed to be to do with =E2=80=9Cweak =
springs=E2=80=9D which, particularly after a long lay-off, =
wouldn=E2=80=99t disengage. The cure for this being a good smack on the =
steel plate sandwiched in the OD from below. Well, that seems to be a =
stuck mechanism issue whereas I=E2=80=99m facing a hydraulic conundrum. =
Or am I?

            There is what is usually referred to as the =
=E2=80=9Cpressure relief valve=E2=80=9D adjacent to the accumulator. The =
name suggested that pressure might be stuck in that area=E2=80=A6.but =
surely not overnight?



            Any ideas? I am particularly reluctant to take the gearbox =
and OD out. You=E2=80=99ll recall the ridiculous business of the =
defective clutch kit? Well, I forget whether we had the box in and out 3 =
times or 4. I=E2=80=99d hoped not to do it again so soon or ever for =
that matter.



            I=E2=80=99m hoping for a miracle of course but some sound =
advice would be a godsend=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6



            Thanks,

            Simon







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<DIV>There is a very small bleed hole in the operating rod that if =
plugged will=20
cause the overdrive pressure to be very slow at releasing.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Remove rod and see if you can blow thru the it. Look in about the =
middle=20
just below the ribs and you will see the bleed hole. It is most likley=20
plugged</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 18, 2022 8:24 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Droggrace@telus.net>Roger Grace</A> ; <A=20
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<DIV class=3Dmoz-cite-prefix>On 4/18/2022 8:03 AM, Roger Grace =
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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  <DIV>To confirm Michae's analysis, consider:</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp; remove ball, spring and plunger<BR></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp; remove the valve push rod and inspect - I use a piece of =
steel=20
  wire of appropriate thickness to pry out.<BR></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp; replace the push rod - it should go in smoothly<BR></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp; insert the wire again and push down gently; with your =
other hand=20
  operate the cam and you should feel the operating rod move up and down =
on the=20
  cam.<BR></DIV>
  <DIV>if not MS is correct and the pin/peg has failed....</DIV>
  <DIV>of course it could also be the cotter pin that goes through the =
setting=20
  lever - but less likely IMO<BR></DIV>
  <DIV>BTW I have found that my OD (O rings) holds 400 psi for several=20
  days.</DIV>
  <DIV>rg<BR></DIV>
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  <DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 3:21 PM =
Simon Lachlan=20
  via Healeys &lt;<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext=20
  moz-do-not-send=3D"true">healeys@autox.team.net</A>&gt; =
wrote:<BR></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
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    <DIV class=3Dgmail-m_246696034598963678WordSection1>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN>That=E2=80=99s the one I=E2=80=99ve got. =
I did get an increase in=20
    pressure. No question about that.</SPAN></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN>I talked to Dave at OD Spares with regard =
to the=20
    various accumulators out there at the moment. I don=E2=80=99t recall =
exactly but he=20
    supplies all of them to his customers and, I think, to the=20
    suppliers.</SPAN></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN>Simon</SPAN></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
    <DIV>
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    style=3D"BORDER-TOP: rgb(225,225,225) 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: =
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PADDING-TOP: 3pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; =
PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm">
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=3DEN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN =
lang=3DEN-US>=20
    Healeys &lt;<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext target=3D_blank=20
    moz-do-not-send=3D"true">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</A>&gt; =
<B>On Behalf=20
    Of </B>Bob Spidell<BR><B>Sent:</B> 17 April 2022 23:06<BR><B>To:</B> =
Michael=20
    Salter &lt;<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext target=3D_blank=20
    =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">michaelsalter@gmail.com</A>&gt;<BR><B>Cc:</B> =
<A=20
    class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext target=3D_blank=20
    =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">healeys@autox.team.net</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
    [Healeys] Overdrive pressure not releasing.</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">AH Spares has an =
accumulator=20
    and piston which uses an O-ring. It appears the pressure relief hole =
is=20
    chamfered:<BR><BR><A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext=20
    =
href=3D"https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/performance-parts/gearbo=
x-overdrive/o-ring-conversion-accumulator-piston.aspx"=20
    target=3D_blank=20
    =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/perform=
ance-parts/gearbox-overdrive/o-ring-conversion-accumulator-piston.aspx</A=
><BR><BR></P>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal>On 4/17/2022 12:03 PM, Michael Salter =
wrote:</P></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt">
      <DIV>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal>Actually Bob I've never used an&nbsp; "O" =
ringed=20
      accumulator.&nbsp; </P>
      <DIV>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal>I spent a little time many years back looking =
into=20
      using "O" rings on the accumulator but couldn't resolve the issue =
of the=20
      ring being chaffed when passing over the radial drillings in the=20
      accumulator body. </P></DIV>
      <DIV>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal>Does anyone know how that has been =
solved?</P></DIV>
      <DIV>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
      <DIV>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal>M</P></DIV></DIV>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
      <DIV>
      <DIV>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal>On Sun., Apr. 17, 2022, 2:49 p.m. Bob =
Spidell, &lt;<A=20
      class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext target=3D_blank=20
      moz-do-not-send=3D"true">bspidell@comcast.net</A>&gt; =
wrote:</P></DIV>
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      style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; =
BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; =
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PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm">
        <DIV>
        <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Michael, =
<BR><BR>Sounds=20
        like you're implying the O-ringed accumulator is superior to the =
metal=20
        ring (OEM) type? Wish I'd known about it when I rebuilt my O/D =
(I bought=20
        the DWM 'uprated' accumulator).<BR><BR>I'll throw out another, =
very=20
        unlikely, potential cause: the cone clutch could be stuck =
together. I've=20
        heard of this happening, but have never experienced it my =
self--nor has=20
        anyone I know--but it's theoretically possible (esp. if the =
clutch is=20
        excessively worn). Could this be the reason the manual is =
adamant about=20
        replacing the 8 strong springs, of two lengths, that oppose the=20
        operating pistons on overhaul, regardless if they still seem=20
        robust?<BR><BR></P>
        <DIV>
        <P class=3DMsoNormal>On 4/17/2022 9:31 AM, Michael Salter via =
Healeys=20
        wrote:</P></DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt">
          <DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
          style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Arial",sans-serif'>Simon,</SPAN></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
          style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Arial",sans-serif'>Based upon=20
          your synopsis I conclude that the operating valve is NOT =
opening when=20
          either the solenoid lever or the setting lever is being moved =
to the=20
          position where the operating valve ball would normally be =
lifted off=20
          its seat.</SPAN></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
          style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Arial",sans-serif'>This=20
          conclusion is based upon your discovery that the pressure in =
the=20
          accumulator, as indicated on the gauge, does not leak away=20
          overnight.</SPAN></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
          style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Arial",sans-serif'>There is a=20
          small clearance between the operating valve push rod and the =
overdrive=20
          housing. If the operating valve ball was indeed lifted off its =
seat=20
          all the oil in the accumulator would, over time, leak past the =

          operating rod thus discharge the accumulator. =
</SPAN></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
          style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Arial",sans-serif'>This process=20
          would indeed take some time but would certainly completely =
relieve=20
          most, if not all the residual accumulator pressure=20
          overnight.</SPAN></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
          style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>If =
however=20
          the operating valve ball is still in contact with its seat =
(i.e. not=20
          being lifted) the oil pressure would not reach the small =
clearance=20
          between the valve push rod and the housing and, other than =
past the=20
          accumulator rings there is nowhere for that pressure to be =
relieved.=20
          </SPAN></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
          style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>I =
would=20
          presume that Overdrive Spares installed an accumulator with an =
"O"=20
          ring rather than the original cast iron rings. If the original =
type=20
          accumulator piston was still fitted, oil would seep past the =
cast iron=20
          rings to relieve the pressure, albeit very slowly, and again =
the=20
          accumulator pressure would be discharged =
overnight..</SPAN></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
          style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>The =
cam on=20
          the operating shaft, the one which lifts the operating valve =
push rod=20
          and thus the operating valve ball, is locked to the shaft with =
a small=20
          taper pin. I would guess that the taper pin has either fallen =
out or=20
          sheared. </SPAN></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
          style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Bad =
news is=20
          that this pin cannot be accessed without removing and =
disassembling=20
          the overdrive.</SPAN></P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
          style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Arial",sans-serif'></SPAN>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
          style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Arial",sans-serif'>M</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
          <DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P class=3DMsoNormal>On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 1:19 PM Simon =
Lachlan via=20
          Healeys &lt;<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext target=3D_blank=20
          moz-do-not-send=3D"true">healeys@autox.team.net</A>&gt; =
wrote:</P></DIV>
          <BLOCKQUOTE=20
          style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; =
BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; =
PADDING-LEFT: 6pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.8pt; BORDER-LEFT: 1pt solid; =
PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm">
            <DIV>
            <DIV>
            <P class=3DMsoNormal>My OD is driving me mad and I =
definitely need=20
            some inspired advice. A bit of background first. =
I=E2=80=99ll try to lay out=20
            all the facts in a logical sequence. (I=E2=80=99m =
increasingly reluctant to=20
            link ODs with logic!)</P>
            <OL type=3D1>
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99d say that the OD has done =
+/- 15k miles=20
              since a total rebuild by Overdrive Spares here in UK.=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>The OD had issues before Christmas =
(21) and=20
              was sorted out by OD Spares. The accumulator was uprated =
and=20
              pressure issues sorted.=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>OD functioned 100% on the few times =
I=E2=80=99d been=20
              able to take it out since then until..=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>One day, the OD stopped functioning. =

              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>I checked the electrics. All fine =
there so I=20
              delved a bit deeper.=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>It had fried its solenoid which I =
replaced.=20
              But=E2=80=A6=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>That did not fix the problem =
so=E2=80=A6=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>I decided that the operating =
valve=E2=80=99s=20
              adjustment might be off so..=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>I bought a dial gauge and hoped to =
sort it out=20
              precisely rather than by =E2=80=9Cfeel=E2=80=9D, which I =
lack in this area.=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>Prior to using the gauge I decided =
to see if=20
              the OD was functioning at all so I raised the car on =
stands and=20
              fitted my pressure gauge.=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>I get a reading of 500psi rising a =
bit when I=20
              rev the engine but I=E2=80=99d suppose that would drop =
when the oil warms=20
              up.=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>BUT, and this is where things go=20
              pear-shaped=E2=80=A6moving the little lever on the RHS up =
and down does=20
              not engage/disengage OD. There is no change on the gauge =
to show=20
              OD engaging or disengaging.=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>AND, the gauge stays at 500psi even =
when the=20
              engine is off. Moving the lever 20 times has zero effect. =
Stayed=20
              at 500 overnight!=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>Of course, I checked for dirt in the =
operating=20
              valve area. None.=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>Likewise, the tiny hole in the =
=E2=80=9Cvalve =E2=80=93=20
              operating=E2=80=9D (the spindle thing which the ball sits =
on)=E2=80=A6.that=E2=80=99s=20
              clear. And surely, the pressure would diminish overnight =
if=20
              something in that area was partially obstructed?=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>When I remove the pressure valve, =
there=E2=80=99s a=20
              small spillage =E2=80=93 no more than you=E2=80=99d expect =
=E2=80=93 but repeating the=20
              pressure gauge process only returns the same results.=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>I see in the bible according to =
Norman Nock=20
              that =E2=80=9CHolding this lever with your thumb and index =
finger, you=20
              should be able to push the lever down lightly about =
=E2=85=9C=E2=80=9D until you=20
              feel a slight spring pressure resistance. The lever should =
go down=20
              another =C2=BC=E2=80=9D after encountering the =
resistance=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D ie there=E2=80=99s about=20
              =E2=85=9D=E2=80=9D movement up &amp; down in that lever. =
Well, my lever does move=20
              and does lift the ball, but there=E2=80=99s not =
=E2=85=9D=E2=80=9D movement there. Could=20
              that be the problem area???=20
              <LI class=3DMsoNormal>Almost finished=E2=80=A6keep =
reading! </LI></OL>
            <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 18pt">So, =
I=E2=80=99m stumped. Every=20
            time I learn something new about the OD, it has a new trick =
to=20
            baffle me.</P>
            <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: =
18pt">I=E2=80=99ve no 100% sure way=20
            of telling whether it=E2=80=99s gone into OD&nbsp; and stuck =
there or=20
            whether it=E2=80=99s simply not going into OD at all.</P>
            <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: =
18pt">I=E2=80=99ve done a lot of=20
            reading through my books and collection of advice from the =
various=20
            gurus and found reference to ODs being stuck but those =
seemed to be=20
            to do with =E2=80=9Cweak springs=E2=80=9D which, =
particularly after a long lay-off,=20
            wouldn=E2=80=99t disengage. The cure for this being a good =
smack on the=20
            steel plate sandwiched in the OD from below. Well, that =
seems to be=20
            a stuck mechanism issue whereas I=E2=80=99m facing a =
hydraulic conundrum. Or=20
            am I?</P>
            <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 18pt">There is =
what is=20
            usually referred to as the =E2=80=9Cpressure relief =
valve=E2=80=9D adjacent to the=20
            accumulator. The name suggested that pressure might be stuck =
in that=20
            area=E2=80=A6.but surely not overnight?</P>
            <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 18pt">&nbsp;</P>
            <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 18pt">Any ideas? =
I am=20
            particularly reluctant to take the gearbox and OD out. =
You=E2=80=99ll recall=20
            the ridiculous business of the defective clutch kit? Well, I =
forget=20
            whether we had the box in and out 3 times or 4. I=E2=80=99d =
hoped not to do=20
            it again so soon or ever for that matter.</P>
            <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 18pt">&nbsp;</P>
            <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 18pt">I=E2=80=99m =
hoping for a=20
            miracle of course but some sound advice would be a =
godsend=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6</P>
            <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 18pt">&nbsp;</P>
            <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 18pt">Thanks,</P>
            <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
            style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: =
18pt">Simon</P><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BL=
OCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><=
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