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Solid copper and brass doesn=E2=80=99t really creep much in compression. =
And if it did, in this case the gasket is bounded on the edges with not =
many places to creep to.=20
Bill Babcock
Beach Bum
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> On May 15, 2023, at 3:19 AM, Philip Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
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> Thanks, Tony;
> Changing the figure 8 gasket thickness does sound like the easiest and =
most precise solution. Several others have made the same suggestion to =
use brass or copper shim stock. I am leery of creep in brass or copper. =
What is the experience you all have had? Does the creep take a set after =
a while or do you need to continually retorque the head? Is there a =
similar issue with solid copper head gaskets?
> The responses of everyone are much appreciated. Brendon and Sean =
Alexander have offered some steel shim gaskets if he has the correct =
thickness (.010=E2=80=9D). Just hoping I don=E2=80=99t need to reduce =
piston compression height as well=E2=80=A6.
> Regards,
> Phil
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 14, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Tony Drews via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
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>> =EF=BB=BF
>> You can also make some custom thickness replacements for the figure 8 =
gaskets to tune the protrusion. You can get brass shim stock from local =
hardware store or McMaster Carr and cut out with scissors / snips. I do =
separate O shapes, the siamesed cylinders don't really need the gasket =
combined into a fig 8 one.
>>=20
>> Decking the block on the wet liner engine makes this more fiddly. =
You'll want to verify piston height at TDC too.
>>=20
>> Regards, Tony Drews
>>=20
>> On 5/14/2023 2:07 PM, Steve Yott via Fot wrote:
>>> You can machine the cylinder seat the required amount. I have a set =
of mandrels I made and do this frequently on the lathe.
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>>> From: Philip Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
>>> Date: 5/14/23 1:02 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: Friends Of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net> =
>>> Subject: [Fot] TR sleeve protrusion .011
>>>=20
>>> Has anyone had experience with the cylinder sleeves protruding =
.011=E2=80=9D? The head has been staked per Kas=E2=80=99s book.=20
>>> I am trying to build an engine quickly (avoiding machine shop =
delays) and have a block with billet crank and Chris Marx seal =
installed. It has been decked already. Also line bored and cam bearings =
and cam installed and timed. I want to know if I can assemble this with =
confidence or if I am asking for trouble? I don=E2=80=99t anticipate =
problems with oil or water sealing as I will use Hylomar on a .020=E2=80=9D=
steel head gasket with the raised corrugating around the oil and water =
galleys.
>>> The crank broke and a cylinder sleeve cracked in =E2=80=9Cold =
reliable=E2=80=9D during a test day.
>>> Please advise.
>>> Thanks and regards,
>>> Phil Gott
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copper and brass doesn=E2=80=99t really creep much in compression. And =
if it did, in this case the gasket is bounded on the edges with not many =
places to creep to. <br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div><b class=3D"">Bill Babcock</b><br class=3D""><i class=3D"">Beach =
Bum</i><br class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:bill@ponostyle.com"; =
class=3D"">bill@ponostyle.com</a><br =
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On May 15, 2023, at 3:19 AM, Philip Gott via Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Thanks, Tony;<div =
class=3D"">Changing the figure 8 gasket thickness does sound like the =
easiest and most precise solution. Several others have made the =
same suggestion to use brass or copper shim stock. I am leery of creep =
in brass or copper. What is the experience you all have had? Does the =
creep take a set after a while or do you need to continually retorque =
the head? Is there a similar issue with solid copper head =
gaskets?</div><div class=3D"">The responses of everyone are much =
appreciated. Brendon and Sean Alexander have offered some steel shim =
gaskets if he has the correct thickness (.010=E2=80=9D). Just =
hoping I don=E2=80=99t need to reduce piston compression height as =
well=E2=80=A6.</div><div class=3D"">Regards,</div><div class=3D"">Phil<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Sent from my =
iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On May 14, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Tony Drews via Fot =
<<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF
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charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D""><p class=3D"">You can also make some custom =
thickness replacements for the
figure 8 gaskets to tune the protrusion. You can get brass =
shim
stock from local hardware store or McMaster Carr and cut out with
scissors / snips. I do separate O shapes, the siamesed =
cylinders
don't really need the gasket combined into a fig 8 one.</p><p =
class=3D"">Decking the block on the wet liner engine makes this more
fiddly. You'll want to verify piston height at TDC =
too.</p><p class=3D"">Regards, Tony Drews<br class=3D"">
</p>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 5/14/2023 2:07 PM, Steve Yott via
Fot wrote:<br class=3D"">
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<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">You can machine the cylinder seat the =
required
amount. I have a set of mandrels I made and do this =
frequently
on the lathe.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Steve Yott</div>
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<div style=3D"font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">Steve Yott</div>
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<div class=3D"">-------- Original message --------</div>
<div class=3D"">From: Philip Gott via Fot <a =
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href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";><fot@autox.team.net></a> </div>
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<div class=3D"">To: Friends Of Triumph <a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";><fot@autox.team.net></a> </div>
<div class=3D"">Subject: [Fot] TR sleeve protrusion .011 </div>
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Has anyone had experience with the cylinder sleeves protruding
.011=E2=80=9D? The head has been staked per Kas=E2=80=99s book. =
<br class=3D"">
I am trying to build an engine quickly (avoiding machine shop
delays) and have a block with billet crank and Chris Marx seal
installed. It has been decked already. Also line bored and cam
bearings and cam installed and timed. I want to know if I can
assemble this with confidence or if I am asking for trouble? =
I
don=E2=80=99t anticipate problems with oil or water sealing as I =
will use
Hylomar on a .020=E2=80=9D steel head gasket with the raised =
corrugating
around the oil and water galleys.<br class=3D"">
The crank broke and a cylinder sleeve cracked in =E2=80=9Cold =
reliable=E2=80=9D
during a test day.<br class=3D"">
Please advise.<br class=3D"">
Thanks and regards,<br class=3D"">
Phil Gott<br class=3D"">
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Sent from my iPhone<br class=3D"">
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