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Yes. I don=E2=80=99t really understand why the little spring is used, which i=
s why I asked. Joe told me the same thing but not why....
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 18, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Bruce Stutzman <stutztr4@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Unfortunately I don't remember which, but Joe Curto specifies solid needle=
s for certain SUs and spring loaded for others.
> Bruce Stutzman
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>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 5:58 PM Phil Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wr=
ote:
>> Thanks, everyone!
>> Phil
>>=20
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>>>> On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>=
wrote:
>>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> Tony,
>>> Yeah, same scenario in my Bugeye with 3-screw tops (even if they're tiny=
compared to your TR-4 carbs), one front pivot, one back pivot.=20
>>>=20
>>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 02:17:43 PM CDT, Tony Drews via Fot <fot@a=
utox.team.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting at the=
front and another at the back. Any other orientation resulted in weirdness=
after hard braking, right when you want to stomp the gas.
>>>=20
>>> Another vote against grose jets, they couldn't handle hardly any fuel pr=
essure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7 psi (more than we=
wanted, but fighting the doggone regulators).
>>>=20
>>> - Tony Drews
>>>=20
>>> On 3/17/2021 1:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Yup.
>>> Had that problem. Floats must =E2=80=9Cface=E2=80=9D fore and aft, meani=
ng the pivot points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the car we fi=
rst tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns by increasing the fue=
l pressure, which just made things worse. Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and for=
e/aft floats works well.
>>> Thanks.,
>>> Phil=20
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>=20
>>>> On Mar 17, 2021, at 12:41 PM, rek46 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:=
>>>>=20
>>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>>> NO GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use GOOD/New old styl=
e floats....you need positive open and close.....heres a tip..check your flo=
at direction for best perf....meaning , are you having brake to accel. probs=
on heavy brake corners? You prob have each float facing toward center...no=
t best....Solved by making both floats face same direction(frt. or back)....=
rick
>>>> =20
>>>> In a message dated 3/17/2021 12:04:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, fot@aut=
ox.team.net writes:
>>>> =20
>>>> Thanks, Erik and Joe;
>>>> Good to know.
>>>> I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open with some royal flooding. Won=E2=80=
=99t use those again!
>>>> Phil
>>>>=20
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>=20
>>>> On Mar 17, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Erik Jacobsen <kekjacobsen@yahoo.com> wro=
te:
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>> Phil,
>>>> I use the plain old solid needles in both street and race cars and have=
n't had any issues. They do wear out eventually, but after 7 years in the ra=
ce car, I still haven't had a problem.
>>>> =20
>>>> Jake
>>>> =20
>>>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot@=
autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> Phil, years ago I stopped using Gross Jets, which have the spring loade=
d ball on the end of the float needle. I suspected some flow issues and oth=
ers had said that they had issues. JoeB
>>>> =20
>>>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 08:16:11 AM EDT, Phil Gott via Fot <fot@a=
utox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> Anyone have experience with needle valves that do not have the spring l=
oaded contact where the needle valve rests on the float? Is a solid one bett=
er, worse, or require different set up?
>>>> Phil Gott
>>>> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Yes. I don=E2=80=99t really understand why t=
he little spring is used, which is why I asked. Joe told me the same thing b=
ut not why....<div>Phil<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 18, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Bru=
ce Stutzman <stutztr4@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Unfortunate=
ly I don't remember which, but Joe Curto specifies solid needles for ce=
rtain SUs and spring loaded for others.<div>Bruce Stutzman</div></div><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 1=
7, 2021 at 5:58 PM Phil Gott via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.ne=
t">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks, everyone!<div>Phil<br><br><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D=
"cite">On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<=
br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=
<div style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Tony,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Yeah, same scenario in m=
y Bugeye with 3-screw tops (even if they're tiny compared to your TR-4 carbs=
), one front pivot, one back pivot. </div><div><br></div>
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On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 02:17:43 PM CDT, Tony Drew=
s via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@au=
tox.team.net</a>> wrote:
</div>
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84753712"><div>
<p>With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting
at the front and another at the back. Any other orientation
resulted in weirdness after hard braking, right when you want to
stomp the gas.</p>
<p>Another vote against grose jets, they couldn't handle hardly any
fuel pressure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7
psi (more than we wanted, but fighting the doggone regulators).<br cle=
ar=3D"none">
</p>
<p>- Tony Drews<br clear=3D"none">
</p>
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1"><div>On 3/17/2021 1:22 PM, Phil Gott via Fot
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd26618"></div><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-226553318122249=
8351ydp229c9148yiv8384753712yqtfd21111">
Yup.
<div>Had that problem. Floats must =E2=80=9Cface=E2=80=9D fore and aft=
, meaning
the pivot points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the
car we first tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns
by increasing the fuel pressure, which just made things worse.
Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and fore/aft floats works well.</div>
<div>Thanks.,</div>
<div>Phil <br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 17, 2021, at 12:41 PM, rek46
via Fot <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><fot@autox.team.net></a> wrote:<br cle=
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:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">NO
GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use
GOOD/New old style floats....you need positive open
and close.....heres a tip..check your float
direction for best perf....meaning , are you having
brake to accel. probs on heavy brake corners? You
prob have each float facing toward center...not
best....Solved by making both floats face same
direction(frt. or back)....rick</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </span></div>
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53712">
<div>Thanks, Erik and Joe;
<div>Good to know.</div>
<div>I=E2=80=99ve had Gross Jets hang open with some r=
oyal
flooding. Won=E2=80=99t use those again!</div>
<div>Phil<br clear=3D"none">
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Erik Jacobsen
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Phil,</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I use the plain old solid
needles in both street and race cars
and haven't had any issues. They do
wear out eventually, but after 7 years
in the race car, I still haven't had a
problem.</div>
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10:13:30 AM CDT, Joe Boruch via Fot
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Phil, years ago
I stopped using Gross Jets,
which have the spring loaded
ball on the end of the float
needle. I suspected some
flow issues and others had
said that they had issues. =
JoeB</div>
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17, 2021, 08:16:11 AM
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have experience with
needle valves that do
not have the spring
loaded contact where
the needle valve rests
on the float? Is a
solid one better,
worse, or require
different set up?</div>
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