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Joe:
We fill the gap completely with the anaerobic sealant. After cleaning all su=
rfaces well I use the tapered nozzle they supply, cut it to fit into the tra=
pezoid and then put a washer over the end to seal it up. Then I use one of t=
hose toothpaste tube keys to squeeze the tube, forcing the sealant gel into t=
he trapezoid. Keep squeezing until I see the gel come out of the chamfered a=
rea at the base of the rear main cap. That way I know the trapezoidal volume=
is full.
It would probably be easier to buy a cartridge and put it in with a caulking=
gun, but that=E2=80=99s kinda pricey (~$50).
One regular size tube will do two engines. They get very hard to squeeze, ev=
en with the key, when they get near the end.
Because it is anaerobic, the gel won=E2=80=99t set up near the oil pan surfa=
ce if you leave it exposed to air. Covering it with a piece of tape works we=
ll. You can then peel the tape off when you put the oil pan on. Or install t=
he pan immediately. I have laid some =E2=80=9CUltra=E2=80=9D black rtv right=
on top of the uncured aerobic gel, then put on the oil pan (with or without=
gasket as you prefer) and had it all set up just fine.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Joe Boruch <jaboruch@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BF
> Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, o=
r are you filling the gap where the felt would be with the Anearobic sealant=
? JoeB.
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>> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot <fot@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
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>> Joe;
>> We=E2=80=99ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The=
Permatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases.
>> In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so=
it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had t=
hat issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be real=
ly good stuff! Thanks to Ken Knight for the recommendation.
>> We=E2=80=99ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very we=
ll. Much easier than soaked felt....
>> Phil Gott
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch <jaboruch@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Thanks David. Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, b=
ut they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution. They did suggest no=
t to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvent=
s (which is what gasoline is). I looked at the instructions for Permatex In=
dian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic=
solvents. The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by a=
romatic solvents. Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using=
Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then). =20
>>=20
>> Thanks for bringing this issue to light. Joe B.
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>>=20
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>> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott <triumphsix@yaho=
o.com> wrote:
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>> Hi Joe,
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>> Here=E2=80=99s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed=
clean by Driven XP3. You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upo=
n removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. N=
ever happened before running the oil. Hondabond held up just fine afterward=
s.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Joe:<div>We fill the gap completely with th=
e anaerobic sealant. After cleaning all surfaces well I use the tapered nozz=
le they supply, cut it to fit into the trapezoid and then put a washer over t=
he end to seal it up. Then I use one of those toothpaste tube keys to squeez=
e the tube, forcing the sealant gel into the trapezoid. Keep squeezing until=
I see the gel come out of the chamfered area at the base of the rear main c=
ap. That way I know the trapezoidal volume is full.</div><div><br></div><div=
>It would probably be easier to buy a cartridge and put it in with a caulkin=
g gun, but that=E2=80=99s kinda pricey (~$50).</div><div><br></div><div>One r=
egular size tube will do two engines. They get very hard to squeeze, even wi=
th the key, when they get near the end.</div><div><br></div><div>Because it i=
s anaerobic, the gel won=E2=80=99t set up near the oil pan surface if you le=
ave it exposed to air. Covering it with a piece of tape works well. You can t=
hen peel the tape off when you put the oil pan on. Or install the pan immedi=
ately. I have laid some =E2=80=9CUltra=E2=80=9D black rtv right on top of th=
e uncured aerobic gel, then put on the oil pan (with or without gasket as yo=
u prefer) and had it all set up just fine.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope thi=
s helps.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Phil</div><div><br></di=
v><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Joe Boruch <jaboruch@=
yahoo.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"ydp957333a7yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"f=
ont-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">=
<div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Phil, how are you using the A=
nearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, or are you filling the gap where=
the felt would be with the Anearobic sealant? JoeB.</div><div><=
br></div>
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b2764yahoo_quoted">
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ns-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott v=
ia Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226"><div>Joe;<div>We=E2=
=80=99ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permate=
x was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases.<div>In fa=
irness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so it may h=
ave not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had that issue=
until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really good s=
tuff! Thanks to Ken Knight for the recommendation.</div><div>We=E2=
=80=99ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much=
easier than soaked felt....</div><div>Phil Gott<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div cl=
ass=3D"ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226yqt4161954403" id=3D"ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226=
yqtfd09427"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 8, 2021, at 4=
:20 PM, Joe Boruch <jaboruch@yahoo.com> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br c=
lear=3D"none"></blockquote></div></div><div class=3D"ydp6edb2764yiv626647522=
6yqt4161954403" id=3D"ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226yqtfd79268"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226ydp8a=
c71bcbyahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Aria=
l, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks David. Driven says that their oils sho=
uld not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dil=
ution. They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can=
be affected by <span><span style=3D"color:rgb(38, 40, 42);font-family:Helve=
tica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">aromatic solvents (which is what g=
asoline is)</span></span>. I looked at the instructions for Permatex I=
ndian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromati=
c solvents. The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affecte=
d by aromatic solvents. Looks like for my next build that I will go ba=
ck to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then).&nbs=
p; </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Tha=
nks for bringing this issue to light. Joe B.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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ns-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott=
<triumphsix@yahoo.com> wrote:
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1554"><div>
Hi Joe,<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Here=E2=80=99s some pictures of th=
e felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. You can s=
ee the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex=
parted along the seam of the block/cap. Never happened before runnin=
g the oil. Hondabond held up just fine afterwards.</div><div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div><div class=3D"ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226ydp1c628845yiv930=
9541554yqt3639321438" id=3D"ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226ydp1c628845yiv9309541554=
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