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To: "fot@autox.team.net" <fot@autox.team.net>, Jack Wheeler <jwheeler1947@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] More on my TR-2/3 Starter Question
From: Randall via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:59:01 -0500
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Hi Jack,

It=E2=80=99s been a long time, and my memory isn=E2=80=99t what it used to =
be.  But I think I used a length of iron water pipe, perhaps 1=E2=80=9D dia=
meter, with big notches cut in the sides.  That way, I could stand the arma=
ture up in a hydraulic press and apply as much pressure as necessary, then =
work through the notches.
A pair of =E2=80=9Cdental pick=E2=80=9D type tools let me pry the ring out =
of the groove on the shaft.  One tool to spread the ends a bit, the other t=
o pry it up along the vertical shaft.  Had to rotate it a bit and pry again=
 to work the whole thing out of the groove.  Seems like maybe I broke a cou=
ple picks when learning how, so it might be good to have extras on hand.

I=E2=80=99m away from home at the moment, or I=E2=80=99d go dig an old star=
ter out and take it apart.  Sorry.

-- Randall

From: Jack Wheeler
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 9:02 AM
To: Randall
Cc: FOT List
Subject: Re: [Fot] More on my TR-2/3 Starter Question

Hi again Randall.=C2=A0 Sorry to keep bothering you with this, but believe =
it or not, I still have not been able to remove the clip which holds the lo=
cating nut, sleeve, etc. on the shaft on my early TR-2/3 starter.=C2=A0 I e=
ven made up a special tool to hold down the locating nut (pressing it towar=
d the armature) to help get better access to the clip (see pictures).=C2=A0=
 I tightened the nuts on my special tool as much as I dared without breakin=
g something.=C2=A0 I can see the clip, and it rotates freely.=C2=A0 However=
, I can't get any leverage on the clip.

The last picture to the right, below, shows the gap in the clip to the righ=
t, as you face it.=C2=A0 The trouble is, I can't find anything that will ge=
t down in there to open up the clip and pop it out of the groove.=C2=A0 It =
needs to be skinny enough to get down in there, but strong enough to open u=
p the clip.=C2=A0 Do you=C2=A0 have any suggestions as to how I can get the=
 clip out of there?=C2=A0 Or, any other special tools that can be used to r=
emove the clip?=C2=A0 Thanks again for your help with this.=C2=A0 I'm stump=
ed.

Jack

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 5:53:13 PM EDT, Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com>=
 wrote:=20


PS, there is a much better scan of the workshop manual available at
https://drive.google.com/open?id=3D0B2H2NJt34OffYWZiN2VlZGMtNTkxMi00NGUzLWE=
4Nz
MtMGRkODRkYzU3MDU1
Or
https://tinyurl.com/yxgdf988

As always, let me know if you find any problems, or material that should be
added.


-- Randall=20
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild=20


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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Jack,</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>It=E2=80=99s been a long time, and m=
y memory isn=E2=80=99t what it used to be.=C2=A0 But I think I used a lengt=
h of iron water pipe, perhaps 1=E2=80=9D diameter, with big notches cut in =
the sides.=C2=A0 That way, I could stand the armature up in a hydraulic pre=
ss and apply as much pressure as necessary, then work through the notches.<=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal>A pair of =E2=80=9Cdental pick=E2=80=9D type tools =
let me pry the ring out of the groove on the shaft.=C2=A0 One tool to sprea=
d the ends a bit, the other to pry it up along the vertical shaft.=C2=A0 Ha=
d to rotate it a bit and pry again to work the whole thing out of the groov=
e.=C2=A0 Seems like maybe I broke a couple picks when learning how, so it m=
ight be good to have extras on hand.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m away from home at the moment, or I=
=E2=80=99d go dig an old starter out and take it apart.=C2=A0 Sorry.</p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- Randall<o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div style=3D'mso-eleme=
nt:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt=
 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>Fro=
m: </b><a href=3D"mailto:jwheeler1947@yahoo.com";>Jack Wheeler</a><br><b>Sen=
t: </b>Sunday, October 27, 2019 9:02 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:TR3=
driver@ca.rr.com">Randall</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.tea=
m.net">FOT List</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] More on my TR-2/3 Starter =
Question</p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>H=
i again Randall.&nbsp; Sorry to keep bothering you with this, but believe i=
t or not, I still have not been able to remove the clip which holds the loc=
ating nut, sleeve, etc. on the shaft on my early TR-2/3 starter.&nbsp; I ev=
en made up a special tool to hold down the locating nut (pressing it toward=
 the armature) to help get better access to the clip (see pictures).&nbsp; =
I tightened the nuts on my special tool as much as I dared without breaking=
 something.&nbsp; I can see the clip, and it rotates freely.&nbsp; However,=
 I can't get any leverage on the clip.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-s=
erif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>The last picture=
 to the right, below, shows the gap in the clip to the right, as you face i=
t.&nbsp; The trouble is, I can't find anything that will get down in there =
to open up the clip and pop it out of the groove.&nbsp; It needs to be skin=
ny enough to get down in there, but strong enough to open up the clip.&nbsp=
; Do you&nbsp; have any suggestions as to how I can get the clip out of the=
re?&nbsp; Or, any other special tools that can be used to remove the clip?&=
nbsp; Thanks again for your help with this.&nbsp; I'm stumped.<o:p></o:p></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",=
sans-serif'>Jack<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp3ee40e1fyahoo_quoted_2410658559"><div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helve=
tica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 5:53:13 PM ED=
T, Randall &lt;tr3driver@ca.rr.com&gt; wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helve=
tica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sa=
ns-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-=
serif;color:#26282A'>PS, there is a much better scan of the workshop manual=
 available at<br><a href=3D"https://drive.google.com/open?id=3D0B2H2NJt34Of=
fYWZiN2VlZGMtNTkxMi00NGUzLWE4Nz" target=3D"_blank">https://drive.google.com=
/open?id=3D0B2H2NJt34OffYWZiN2VlZGMtNTkxMi00NGUzLWE4Nz</a><br>MtMGRkODRkYzU=
3MDU1<br>Or<br><a href=3D"https://tinyurl.com/yxgdf988"; target=3D"_blank">h=
ttps://tinyurl.com/yxgdf988</a><br><br>As always, let me know if you find a=
ny problems, or material that should be<br>added.<o:p></o:p></span></p></di=
v></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#2628=
2A'><br><br>-- Randall <br>56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver<br>=
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild<br>71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox =
rebuild <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></d=
iv></body></html>=

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