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[Fot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in

Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 20:50:59 -0500
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Thanks guys for all the feedback. 

So far I have only put the car in the air and pulled the cover. There is ample 
evidence of excessive heat so something went wrong with my setup. 

I might get the chance to pull it all out of the car and take some measurements 
on Sunday. Once I do, I?ll share my original setup notes and what I measure 
upon disassembly.

On a related note. I ordered a new gear set from Rimmer on Monday and it 
arrived in Austin today, standard shipping. Amazing. Way faster than some of 
our domestic suppliers. 

This new gear set was supplied by Bastuck. Hopefully lasts a little longer.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 6, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Looks like the pinion was way to deep.
> 
> 
> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 6:38 AM, Bill via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I doubt if a break-in procedure could have prevented failure, but as Marcel 
> says, checking the temperature of the diff could have stopped the damage. The 
> likely culprits are incorrect engagement or bad parts, but anything that 
> heats the gears enough to cook the oil off the parts will kill the gears. I 
> had a close call with one of the gear sets I use. Apparently I screwed up 
> somewhere in checking fit?when I pulled the rear end to assess the problem 
> there was no backlash. I have a huge finned differential cover so checking 
> temperature doesn?t help, but I could feel the car slowing quickly between 
> shifts. Fortunately I wasn?t doing my usual clutchless shifts and noticed the 
> sudden deceleration every time I disengaged the clutch. The gear teeth were 
> slightly blued and the oil smelled like a cesspool, but the gears were still 
> usable once I did the setup properly. 
> 
> Bill
> 
> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 1:48 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at 
> > autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Doorgestuurd bericht -----
> > Van: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
> > Aan: "Greg Blake" <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com>
> > Verzonden: Woensdag 5 september 2018 10:47:59
> > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crown and pinion gear break in
> > 
> > I think it is good measure to check the heat of the differential casing 
> > after a few laps when the pinion and crownwheel are freshly mounted : when 
> > the casing gets very hot, something is wrong : or the parts are bad or they 
> > are mounted not correctly
> > There are at least 2 manufactures of the TR parts, I forgot about the 
> > names. As far as I know, used original parts are running cooler than some 
> > of the aftermarked parts. How was the noise of the diff? Did you notice the 
> > smell during the first laps?
> > Marcel
> > 
> > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Verzonden: Woensdag 5 september 2018 03:25:39
> > Onderwerp: [Fot] Crown and pinion gear break in
> > 
> > I would love to here the FOT experience in breaking in new differential 
> > gears. What has worked well for you in the past?  
> > 
> > Last weekend, I was running the TR3 at Hallett with a brand new 4.55 gear 
> > set and it failed. I probably got 30 laps total in 4 sessions on track. I 
> > did not think to follow any set break in procedure with the gears and I am 
> > wondering if that is why they failed. 
> > 
> > I am interested in the lists experience with brand new or new old stock 
> > ring and pinion break in. 
> > 
> > Here is a pic of the failed set. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [image/jpeg:image1.jpeg]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
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