Here are factory specs for the vehicles I use to tow my 24â?? enclosed 6500lbs
loaded weight trailer:
2003 Hummer H2 6.0L gasoline: 316 hp, 360 lb-ft, 6400 curb wt., 6500 max. tow
weight
2007 Ford F250 6.0L diesel: 325 hp, 570 lb-ft, 5927 curb wt., 12,500 max. tow
For comparison, our 2011 BMW x5 3.0L turbo diesel: 265 hp, 425 lb-ft, 4950 curb
wt., 6000 max, tow.
The BMW unquestionably out-pulls the Hummer, but doesnâ??t have the hitch
weight capacity, brakes, tires, suspension, etc. for that trailer. It pulls an
open 2-axle trailer of about 3500 lbs beautifully, but giving up the benefits
of an enclosed trailer is too hard!
Every prospective driver should have to pull a trailer in traffic before
getting their license! Maybe they wouldnâ??t drive so stupidly around us.
Wishful thinkingâ?¦
John Frymark
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 20:38:43 +0000 (UTC)
> From: davehogye <dlhogye@comcast.net>
> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo@gmail.com>
> Cc: Friends of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
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> I've always thought and agree about the new release, lab rat scenario. This
> is one reason I've waited on purchasing an F150. The drivetrain however, has
> been around for a few years.
>
> I also think having 4 wheel drive is worth it. The vehicle is always more
> valuable during resale, usually close to the initial cost difference and the
> occasional use is a huge benefit to me.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "John Styduhar" <johnstydo@gmail.com>
> To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" <fot@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 6:24:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>
> I would wait a year or two on the new Ford F150 (or any new release) until
> the powertrain and body structure changes are fully tested and diagnosed.
> Unless you want to be the lab rat. I've owned three F150s and the 2009 I
> currently own is the worst.
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, davehogye < dlhogye@comcast.net > wrote:
>
>
>
> The new aluminum truck is said to weigh 700lbs. less than the last steel
> version. That's a lot of weight off during daily driving routines and the
> towing and payload has gone up. Sounds good to me. I built a SuperCrew FX4
> version on line, no leather or sunroof thank you, and got the price up to
> $46K. Now they are offering up to $8K in discounts and incentives. It's
> sounding better every day.
> I read an article recently that discusses the improvements on 1/2 ton trucks
> that bring them up to 3/4 ton levels from just a few years ago.
>
> Dave H.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Jeff Snook" < jeffsnook01@gmail.com >
> To: fot@autox.team.net
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 12:25:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>
> We've got a customer with a new aluminum F150. He loves it. Says it tows a
> 7K lb. trailer and doesn't even know it's there!
>
> Sweet truck, but stickered for $60K!!!!!
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> 419-344-0319 (Mobile)
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> From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54@gmail.com>
> To: Paul MacDonald <macdonaldp@rogers.com>
> Cc: Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] [Bulk] Re: Towing (New F-150)
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> Paul,
>
> The Morgan dealer in Colorado Springs (they?ve just shut down) was selling
> short versions of the clamshell type sized to fit the new V-twin Morgan three
> wheelers (I?m not sure how long the interior is). Maybe he has some left.
>
> Duncan
>
>
>> On Jul 26, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Paul MacDonald <macdonaldp@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Would love to see this kind of trailer offered in North America.
>>
>> http://www.brianjames.co.uk/range/default.aspx?id=2
>> <http://www.brianjames.co.uk/range/default.aspx?id=2>
>>
>> Especially the clam shell type.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net
>> <mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net>] On Behalf Of MadMarx
>> Sent: July 26, 2015 1:06 PM
>> To: fot@autox.team.net <mailto:fot@autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>>
>> When purchasing the IMSA TR8 I also thought about to buy it with the US
>> trailer but I?ve dropped that idea.
>> Too wide, too heavy, different brake system, too high hitch load.
>>
>> US trailers are very different to Europe ones but looking more cool!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
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> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 20:23:03 -0400
> From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54@gmail.com>
> To: Bob Kramer <rkramer3@austin.rr.com>
> Cc: "<fot@autox.team.net>" <fot@autox.team.net>, Jeff Snook
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> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
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> I borrowed Bob Kramer?s 28? trailer to retrieve a race car and several
> thousand pounds of spares from Wisconsin about a year ago. I pulled the
> trailer, loaded to around 7000 lbs, with my 2007 Toyota Tundra with a 5.7
> liter gasoline engine. The chassis, transmission and engine are fully up to
> it (it?s rated at 10,500 but I would rather not haul that heavy a tow load in
> a truck with an empty weight of 5700 lbs). I probably averaged a highway
> speed to 60 mph or so (I drove from Texas to Wisconsin and back) and got 10.5
> mpg; typical non-towing mileage on 87 octane (rm+mm/2) gasoline is around 17
> mpg, no doubt allowed by the lack of extensive stop and go driving in the
> area around our rural home.
>
> My new enclosed trailer (should arrive in the next two weeks) is a v-nose 18?
> Aluma car hauler with an 8-1/2? width. Empty weight is 2760 lbs. (they make
> a 24? enclose V-nose trailer with an empty weight of 3300 lbs). Loaded up
> with the NSU or the Morgan 4/4 plus tools, etc. I will easily keep my maximum
> trailer weight under 5000 lbs so I can tow it with my Mercedes Sprinter
> van-based Itasca motorhome. We?re now on the return leg of our first trip in
> the motorhome right now, in the mountains of North Carolina. (We stopped at
> VIR this morning since we?d never seen the track ? and a fine-looking track
> it is. We had stopped to gawk at Watkins Glen last Saturday, moving on to
> the vintage GP at Schenley Park in Pittsburgh last Sunday. I hope to see the
> Barber museum and track in Alabama tomorrow.)
>
> We haven?t towed with the motorhome yet but the 3.0 liter turbodiesel has
> plenty of torque. There is a guy at our campground hauling a Smart Car with
> an identical rig so I?ll ask him how it pulls and what kind of fuel
> consumption he is getting. Non-towing fuel mileage for the 3200 miles we?ve
> traveled so far is 14.7 mpg at 65 mph but I think it will improve as the
> terrain flattens out as we approach central Texas.
>
> A few years ago I bought a 5?-8" X 12? Aluma all-aluminum flatbed trailer
> which weighs 560-580 lbs. I hauled the Morgan and the NSU 1200TT sedan with
> it on separate occasions behind my 2008 BMW 328i wagon with no issues.
>
> Duncan
> (Texas)
>
>> On Jul 26, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'd be happy towing a one car trailer with most any 1500 properly set up.
>> I'm towing a 28 foot enclosed with two TR's inside. That's just over 10,000
>> lbs. and even with my 2500HD I am not completely comfortable. Downsizing to
>> a max tow 1500 scares me.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Bill Tobin <william.tobin31@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I really like my RAM 1500, second one in 4 years.
>>> It'll tow my trailer anywhere and gets over 20 on the highway when not
>>> towing. 9-12 when towing.
>>> Nowhere near 60K; I think it was around 38K before "incentives"
>>> Yes, it's a HEMI!
>>> Bill
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Snook" <jeffsnook01@gmail.com>
>>> To: <fot@autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 3:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>>>
>>>
>>>> We've got a customer with a new aluminum F150. He loves it. Says it tows
>>>> a
>>>> 7K lb. trailer and doesn't even know it's there!
>>>>
>>>> Sweet truck, but stickered for $60K!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Snook
>>>> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
>>>> 419-344-0319 (Mobile)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 18:55:22 -0600
> From: Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <FOT@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Team.Net stuff
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> The archives should be back on line, link below for those of you in real time
> mode.
>
> There may be a bit of progress is getting the domain team.net transferred to
> me. That
> will allow me to change some of the DNS stuff to improve DMARC, etc. message
> handling.
> If you don't understand that, don't worry. The end result will be fewer sites
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> I start work at 4 am tomorrow. Fun.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:05:09 -0400
> From: "Russell Pierce" <russell.pierce@lpl.com>
> To: "'davehogye'" <dlhogye@comcast.net>, "'John Styduhar'"
> <johnstydo@gmail.com>
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
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> Take a word from one who has pulled beyond the weight of the towing vehicle
> and ended up with all tires skyward. While there is much to be desired in
> getting extra mileage by towing with a fuel efficient vehicle, don?t
> sacrifice proper weight and capacity of your vehicle to do it. Many of us
> have felt the fear of a pushing trailer that swerves out of control. The
> thought of ?do I speed up and drive through it or try to slow it down so I
> can change my pants? runs through your mine while battling it down the road.
>
> I now drive a Chevy Avalanche 2500 (496) and have towed everything from a 36
> ? camper to a loaded 26? car hauler carrying a Suburban. Most times I tend to
> forget anything is back there while driving. That is until I frequently stop
> for gas averaging 9 MPG when towing. When we came to Summit Point we borrowed
> an enclosed trailer rather than using the open car trailer we own since the
> paint was just days old. The height of the trailer did cause more wind
> resistance and resulted in lower gas mileage but was so nice to have and work
> out of. There is always a tradeoff.
>
> The new Ford F150 aluminum bodied truck worries me about not having enough
> weight to control what it is towing.
>
>
>
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> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of davehogye
> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 4:39 PM
> To: John Styduhar
> Cc: Friends of Triumph
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>
>
>
> I've always thought and agree about the new release, lab rat scenario. This
> is one reason I've waited on purchasing an F150. The drivetrain however, has
> been around for a few years.
>
>
>
> I also think having 4 wheel drive is worth it. The vehicle is always more
> valuable during resale, usually close to the initial cost difference and the
> occasional use is a huge benefit to me.
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: "John Styduhar" <johnstydo@gmail.com>
> To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" <fot@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 6:24:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>
>
>
> I would wait a year or two on the new Ford F150 (or any new release) until
> the powertrain and body structure changes are fully tested and diagnosed.
> Unless you want to be the lab rat. I've owned three F150s and the 2009 I
> currently own is the worst.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, davehogye <dlhogye@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> The new aluminum truck is said to weigh 700lbs. less than the last steel
> version. That's a lot of weight off during daily driving routines and the
> towing and payload has gone up. Sounds good to me. I built a SuperCrew FX4
> version on line, no leather or sunroof thank you, and got the price up to
> $46K. Now they are offering up to $8K in discounts and incentives. It's
> sounding better every day.
>
> I read an article recently that discusses the improvements on 1/2 ton trucks
> that bring them up to 3/4 ton levels from just a few years ago.
>
>
>
> Dave H.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: "Jeff Snook" <jeffsnook01@gmail.com>
> To: fot@autox.team.net
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 12:25:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>
>
>
> We've got a customer with a new aluminum F150. He loves it. Says it tows a
> 7K lb. trailer and doesn't even know it's there!
>
>
>
> Sweet truck, but stickered for $60K!!!!!
>
>
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> 419-344-0319 (Mobile)
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 07:08:02 -0700
> From: Bill Babcock <Bill@ponostyle.com>
> To: Bruce Stutzman <stutztr4@gmail.com>
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination - Ambro racer
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> I?ll second as well of course. Late to the party, but I?ll second as well of
> course. Nice to see a fellow Ambro owner. I need to block out some time to
> get 001 back on track.
>
>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Bruce Stutzman <stutztr4@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Second for Vic.
>> He is a good guy.
>> Bruce Stutzman
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Dolan, James J <jdolan@voyagerhldgs.com
>> <mailto:jdolan@voyagerhldgs.com>> wrote:
>> Second, and a neat car!
>>
>> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com <mailto:sjanzen@me.com>>
>> Date: Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 10:26 AM
>> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot@autox.team.net
>> <mailto:fot@autox.team.net>>
>> Cc: Vic Schuster <vschus8282@verizon.net <mailto:vschus8282@verizon.net>>
>> Subject: [Fot] Nomination - Ambro racer
>>
>> I'm really excited to be writing to nominate Vic Schuster to the FOT. Vic
>> is a good friend and I am usually paddocked next to him and his immaculately
>> prepared red and grey Lotus Seven. However, Vic has joined the Triumph
>> ranks, buying a real deal Ambro, the second or third body and chassis
>> constructed/prepared by Bill Ames, sold to a customer, and re-purchased by
>> Ames and resurrected in the early 1990s (Vic, correct me if I don't have the
>> history right). Bill's son Robert prepped the car and vintage raced it for
>> some time, eventually selling it to Bob Seidel, from whom Vic acquired the
>> car last week. Rich Rock took care of the car for several years for Bob,
>> and built the current engine.
>>
>> Vic does his own mechanical work and is eager to join our ranks and
>> resources. I was in Vic's garage last night, and the car is ready to race,
>> though it will benefit from Vic's adjustments and clean-ups in the future.
>> Vic expects to have it out at the VRG event in Millville, NJ in September.
>>
>> Do I have a second?
>>
>> Scott
>> '68 GT6
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> From: M Dunst <gasket.works@gte.net>
> To: Russell Pierce <russell.pierce@lpl.com>
> Cc: Friends of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing
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> Decision to tow is a privilege just like having a driver license. Problem
> with all of this naturally, is that there are no regulations on this. What i
> mean to say is that I don?t know of any endorsements on a non-commercial
> drivers license to say you had some education regarding towing. I see a
> benefit in education. I had to learn the hard way regarding towing as well.
>
> Here is a simple question ? If the braking system in your trailer failed
> can the tow vehicle slow the combined weight safely? Or on a long downhill
> grade can the brakes and engine prevent you from going too fast? And having
> enough brakes left over afterwards.
>
> I suspect that by reducing chassis weight ford may have the shifted GCWR
> weight to their towing capacity increase (just a guess). Are the Brakes any
> different?
>
>
> M Dunst
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>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:05 AM, Russell Pierce <russell.pierce@lpl.com> wrote:
>>
>> Take a word from one who has pulled beyond the weight of the towing vehicle
>> and ended up with all tires skyward. While there is much to be desired in
>> getting extra mileage by towing with a fuel efficient vehicle, don?t
>> sacrifice proper weight and capacity of your vehicle to do it. Many of us
>> have felt the fear of a pushing trailer that swerves out of control. The
>> thought of ?do I speed up and drive through it or try to slow it down so I
>> can change my pants? runs through your mine while battling it down the road.
>> I now drive a Chevy Avalanche 2500 (496) and have towed everything from a 36
>> ? camper to a loaded 26? car hauler carrying a Suburban. Most times I tend
>> to forget anything is back there while driving. That is until I frequently
>> stop for gas averaging 9 MPG when towing. When we came to Summit Point we
>> borrowed an enclosed trailer rather than using the open car trailer we own
>> since the paint was just days old. The height of the trailer did cause more
>> wind resistance and resulted in lower gas mileage but was so nice to have
>> and work out of. There is always a tradeoff.
>> The new Ford F150 aluminum bodied truck worries me about not having enough
>> weight to control what it is towing.
>>
>> <image001.png>
>> Russell A. Pierce
>> Wealth Advisor/ Retirement Consultant
>> LPL Financial 314 Corder Road
>> Warner Robins, GA 31088
>> (478) 225-6750
>> (478) 225-6740 fax
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>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net
>> <mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net>] On Behalf Of davehogye
>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 4:39 PM
>> To: John Styduhar
>> Cc: Friends of Triumph
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>>
>> I've always thought and agree about the new release, lab rat scenario. This
>> is one reason I've waited on purchasing an F150. The drivetrain however,
>> has been around for a few years.
>>
>> I also think having 4 wheel drive is worth it. The vehicle is always more
>> valuable during resale, usually close to the initial cost difference and the
>> occasional use is a huge benefit to me.
>>
>>
>> From: "John Styduhar" <johnstydo@gmail.com <mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com>>
>> To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" <fot@autox.team.net
>> <mailto:fot@autox.team.net>>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 6:24:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>>
>> I would wait a year or two on the new Ford F150 (or any new release) until
>> the powertrain and body structure changes are fully tested and diagnosed.
>> Unless you want to be the lab rat. I've owned three F150s and the 2009 I
>> currently own is the worst.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, davehogye <dlhogye@comcast.net
>> <mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>> The new aluminum truck is said to weigh 700lbs. less than the last steel
>> version. That's a lot of weight off during daily driving routines and the
>> towing and payload has gone up. Sounds good to me. I built a SuperCrew FX4
>> version on line, no leather or sunroof thank you, and got the price up to
>> $46K. Now they are offering up to $8K in discounts and incentives. It's
>> sounding better every day.
>> I read an article recently that discusses the improvements on 1/2 ton trucks
>> that bring them up to 3/4 ton levels from just a few years ago.
>>
>> Dave H.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Jeff Snook" <jeffsnook01@gmail.com <mailto:jeffsnook01@gmail.com>>
>> To: fot@autox.team.net <mailto:fot@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 12:25:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>>
>> We've got a customer with a new aluminum F150. He loves it. Says it tows a
>> 7K lb. trailer and doesn't even know it's there!
>>
>> Sweet truck, but stickered for $60K!!!!!
>>
>> Jeff Snook
>> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com <http://www.snooksdreamcars.com/>
>> 419-344-0319 <tel:419-344-0319> (Mobile)
>>
>>
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> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:08:19 -0500
> From: Larry Young <cartravel@pobox.com>
> To: "FOT@autox.team.net" <FOT@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Towing (New F-150)
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> I meant to send this to the list, not just Marcel. I'm a big believer
> in diesel technology, since it is much more efficient than gasoline and
> now it is cleaner too. Most Americans don't realize that Europe is 40
> to 50 percent diesel, while they are almost nonexistent in the US,
> except for big pickups. The small diesels (< 2.0L) just don't make it
> here, partly because the companies don't believe Americans would buy
> anything with less than 100hp. We used to think that was decent power.
> Currently, if you have a small diesel it is most likely German.
> Hopefully, this will change in the next few years.
> - Larry
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 14:57:46 -0500
> From: Larry Young <cartravel@pobox.com>
> To: Marcel Van Mulders <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>
>
>
> Marcel, what you don't realize is that diesels are almost nonexistent
> over here in anything smaller than a 3/4 ton (F-250 etc.). There is no
> diesel option in smaller American vehicles that will tow a car. I
> believe it is because our emission standards are much more stringent (on
> CO, unburned HC, NOx and soot). I understand Dodge will soon fill that
> gap with a 3.0 L V-6 made by Fiat. The only diesel options on vehicles
> that size are German SUVs which are some of the cleanest engines
> around. I now tow my 18 foot enclosed trailer (about 5,000 lb) with a
> BMW X5 3.0L diesel. Yes, it was about $60K as well. It gets around 14
> mpg while towing, which is 40 to 50 percent better than my old 5.0L Ford
> Triton V8 and with all that torque and all the gears it tows better as
> well. My wife has a newer BMW 5 series diesel sedan that gets over 35
> mpg on the highway. The quietness and driveability of these new diesels
> is astonishing.
> - Larry
>
> On 7/26/2015 10:04 AM, Marcel Van Mulders wrote:
>> Strange how (towing) car habits are different in the USA and
>> Europe. You are wodering if a 5 litre turbo V8 diesel will be strong
>> enough, maybe it should be a 6.2 or 6.7 litre. In Europe,
>> most towing cars have a 2 litre 4 cyl engine, or even as small as
>> a 1.4 litre.The biggest turbodiesel Ford Europe is offering, has just
>> a 2 litre engine. Idem for Citroen, Renault and Volkswagen(with the
>> exception of the Touareg). In Europe you can see a lot of 1600cc
>> turbodiesels towing a caravan. A BMW 525d has a 2 litre, Mercedes
>> E200D, 220D and 250D all have a 2.1 litre 4cyl engine.BMW and Mercedes
>> buyers can still get a 3 litre turbodiesel, but they rarely do. Fuel
>> is expensive in Europe and car taxes are rising exponentially with the
>> fuel consumption. You in the USA are lucky to be able to drive full
>> size cars with full size engines. In Europe, the engines get smaller
>> and smaller. Almost all VW Golfs are sold with a tiny 1.2 litre or 1.4
>> litre engine. In Europe a 1.6 litre is called a big engine in a VW
>> Golf. Maybe in the USA 1.6 litre can do in a V-Twin bike, but only just?
>> Marcel.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *Van:* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] *Namens *marty
>> *Verzonden:* vrijdag 24 juli 2015 18:16
>> *Aan:* FOT
>> *Onderwerp:* [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>>
>> I have been checking out the new F-150's a bit. According to the
>> specs, with the max-tow package they are within a few pounds of the
>> tow capacity of the F-250's.Since I only heavy tow a few times a year
>> the gas savings throughout the rest of the year compared to the F-250
>> would be substantial as I put on about 250 miles per week just going
>> to work and back. Is anybody on the list towing any weight with one of
>> these new ones? How?s is it working out for you?
>>
>> Marty
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:06:48 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Ken Suhre <kenandtweety@yahoo.com>
> To: Larry Young <cartravel@pobox.com>, "FOT@autox.team.net"
> <FOT@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Towing (New F-150)
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> I have been?silently watching this?interesting discussion.?I too would
> encourage looking at diesel power. The fuel efficiency?is superior to
> gasoline as well as the torque to climb?grades.
> My '93 Dodge Ram D 250 just required a new turbo at 388,000?miles. It got a
> rebuilt injector pump and injectors at 280,000. Other than that nothing?but
> careful maintenance. After the?new turbo it was run on a rolling road dyno.
> It puts out 140 HP which is about 15 above stock. That doesn't sound like
> much but, the torque is 404?lbs ft. Towing my gooseneck 24 ft trailer with a
> loaded weight of 7000 lbs, it regularly gives me 15 MPG.?Of course it is
> nearly?a classic to match my cars, I just wanted to point out the advantages
> of a diesel.
> Ken Suhre
> ? From: Larry Young <cartravel@pobox.com>
> To: "FOT@autox.team.net" <FOT@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:08 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Towing (New F-150)
>
> I meant to send this to the list, not just Marcel.? I'm a big believer in
> diesel technology, since it is much more efficient than gasoline and now it
> is cleaner too.? Most Americans don't realize that Europe is 40 to 50 percent
> diesel, while they are almost nonexistent in the US, except for big pickups.?
> The small diesels (< 2.0L) just don't make it here, partly because the
> companies don't believe Americans would buy anything with less than 100hp. We
> used to think that was decent power. Currently, if? you have a small diesel
> it is most likely German. Hopefully, this will change in the next few years.
> ?- Larry
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> | Subject: | Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150) |
> | Date: | Sun, 26 Jul 2015 14:57:46 -0500 |
> | From: | Larry Young <cartravel@pobox.com> |
> | To: | Marcel Van Mulders <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be> |
>
>
> Marcel, what you don't realize is that diesels are almost nonexistent over
> here in anything smaller than a 3/4 ton (F-250 etc.).? There is no diesel
> option in smaller American vehicles that will tow a car.? I believe it is
> because our emission standards are much more stringent (on CO, unburned HC,
> NOx and soot). I understand Dodge will soon fill that gap with a 3.0 L V-6
> made by Fiat.? The only diesel options on vehicles that size are German SUVs
> which are some of the cleanest engines around.? I now tow my 18 foot enclosed
> trailer (about 5,000 lb) with a BMW X5 3.0L diesel.? Yes, it was about $60K
> as well.? It gets around 14 mpg while towing, which is 40 to 50 percent
> better than my old 5.0L Ford Triton V8 and with all that torque and all the
> gears it tows better as well.? My wife has a newer BMW 5 series diesel sedan
> that gets over 35 mpg on the highway.? The quietness and driveability of
> these new diesels is astonishing.
> ?- Larry
>
> On 7/26/2015 10:04 AM, Marcel Van Mulders wrote:
>
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> how (towing) car habits are different in the USA and Europe.?You are?wodering
> if a 5 litre turbo V8 diesel will be strong enough, maybe it should? be a 6.2
> or 6.7 litre. In Europe, most??towing cars have a 2 litre??4 cyl engine, or
> even as small as a?1.4 litre.The biggest turbodiesel??Ford Europe is
> offering, has just a 2 litre engine. Idem?for Citroen, Renault and
> Volkswagen(with the exception of the Touareg). In Europe you can see a lot of
> 1600cc turbodiesels? towing a caravan. A BMW 525d has a 2 litre,? Mercedes?
> E200D, 220D and 250D all have a 2.1 litre 4cyl engine.BMW and Mercedes buyers
> can still?get a 3 litre turbodiesel, but they rarely do. Fuel is expensive in
> Europe and car taxes are rising exponentially with the fuel consumption. You
> in the USA are lucky
> to be ab
> le to drive full size cars with full size engines. In Europe, the engines get
> smaller and smaller. Almost all VW Golfs are sold with a tiny 1.2 litre or
> 1.4 litre engine. In Europe?a 1.6 litre is? called?a big engine in a VW Golf.
> Maybe?in the USA 1.6 litre?can do in a?V-Twin bike, but only just? Marcel. ?
> Van: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens marty
> Verzonden: vrijdag 24 juli 2015 18:16
> Aan: FOT
> Onderwerp: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>
> I have been checking out the new F-150's a bit. According to the specs,
> with the max-tow package they are within a few pounds of the tow capacity of
> the F-250's.? Since I only heavy tow a few times a year the gas savings
> throughout the rest of the year compared to the F-250 would be substantial as
> I put on about 250 miles per week just going to work and back. Is anybody on
> the list towing any weight with one of these new ones? How?s is it working
> out for you? ? Marty
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> From: Bill Babcock <Bill@ponostyle.com>
> To: M Dunst <gasket.works@gte.net>
> Cc: Friends of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing
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> A big question indeed. My F350 has a tow/haul feature that modifies the
> transmission shifting triggers, and seems to do some other stuff as well.
> Great for managing speed going down a long hill. I do think it?s insane that
> american drivers don?t need more training before undertaking challenging
> driving situations, but then the morons running things let bluehairs drive
> giant motorhomes, and they let 16 year old kids drive with laughable levels
> of ability.
>
> Back to the topic, I consider my F350 to be a minimum for the combined weight
> of my airstream and race car - 9450 pounds. If I max out everything in the
> airstream for a long trip it gets to over 11,000 pounds. Amazing how fast
> things add up when you fill tanks and toss in a few spares?like a
> transmission, etc.
>
> The issue isn?t the capability of the engine, it?s the brakes, tires, and
> frame, as well as the relative weight of the towing vehicle versus trailer.
> Obviously you can carry more if the trailer is designed expressly for your
> towing vehicle, but how often does that happen? I?ve seen motorhomes with
> huge overhang towing heavy trailers?that?s an accident waiting to happen. The
> only thing that saves them is the massive weight of the motorhome, but when
> it goes bad, it goes very, very bad.
>
>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:47 AM, M Dunst <gasket.works@gte.net> wrote:
>>
>> Decision to tow is a privilege just like having a driver license. Problem
>> with all of this naturally, is that there are no regulations on this. What
>> i mean to say is that I don?t know of any endorsements on a non-commercial
>> drivers license to say you had some education regarding towing. I see a
>> benefit in education. I had to learn the hard way regarding towing as well.
>>
>>
>> Here is a simple question ? If the braking system in your trailer failed
>> can the tow vehicle slow the combined weight safely? Or on a long
>> downhill grade can the brakes and engine prevent you from going too fast?
>> And having enough brakes left over afterwards.
>>
>> I suspect that by reducing chassis weight ford may have the shifted GCWR
>> weight to their towing capacity increase (just a guess). Are the Brakes
>> any different?
>>
>>
>> M Dunst
>> Gasket Works USA, LLC
>> c.626.358.1616
>> f.626.628.3777
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>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:05 AM, Russell Pierce <russell.pierce@lpl.com
>>> <mailto:russell.pierce@lpl.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Take a word from one who has pulled beyond the weight of the towing vehicle
>>> and ended up with all tires skyward. While there is much to be desired in
>>> getting extra mileage by towing with a fuel efficient vehicle, don?t
>>> sacrifice proper weight and capacity of your vehicle to do it. Many of us
>>> have felt the fear of a pushing trailer that swerves out of control. The
>>> thought of ?do I speed up and drive through it or try to slow it down so I
>>> can change my pants? runs through your mine while battling it down the
>>> road.
>>> I now drive a Chevy Avalanche 2500 (496) and have towed everything from a
>>> 36 ? camper to a loaded 26? car hauler carrying a Suburban. Most times I
>>> tend to forget anything is back there while driving. That is until I
>>> frequently stop for gas averaging 9 MPG when towing. When we came to Summit
>>> Point we borrowed an enclosed trailer rather than using the open car
>>> trailer we own since the paint was just days old. The height of the trailer
>>> did cause more wind resistance and resulted in lower gas mileage but was so
>>> nice to have and work out of. There is always a tradeoff.
>>> The new Ford F150 aluminum bodied truck worries me about not having enough
>>> weight to control what it is towing.
>>>
>>> <image001.png>
>>> Russell A. Pierce
>>> Wealth Advisor/ Retirement Consultant
>>> LPL Financial 314 Corder Road
>>> Warner Robins, GA 31088
>>> (478) 225-6750
>>> (478) 225-6740 fax
>>> Securities offered through LPL Financial
>>> Member FINRA/SIPC
>>> Notice Regarding entry of orders:
>>> Do not place orders to buy or sell securities via email or voicemail.
>>> This and all other time sensitive requests should be placed directly with
>>> your LPL Representative at (478)-225-6750.
>>>
>>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net
>>> <mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net>] On Behalf Of davehogye
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 4:39 PM
>>> To: John Styduhar
>>> Cc: Friends of Triumph
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>>>
>>> I've always thought and agree about the new release, lab rat scenario.
>>> This is one reason I've waited on purchasing an F150. The drivetrain
>>> however, has been around for a few years.
>>>
>>> I also think having 4 wheel drive is worth it. The vehicle is always more
>>> valuable during resale, usually close to the initial cost difference and
>>> the occasional use is a huge benefit to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "John Styduhar" <johnstydo@gmail.com <mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com>>
>>> To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" <fot@autox.team.net
>>> <mailto:fot@autox.team.net>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 6:24:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>>>
>>> I would wait a year or two on the new Ford F150 (or any new release) until
>>> the powertrain and body structure changes are fully tested and diagnosed.
>>> Unless you want to be the lab rat. I've owned three F150s and the 2009 I
>>> currently own is the worst.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, davehogye <dlhogye@comcast.net
>>> <mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The new aluminum truck is said to weigh 700lbs. less than the last steel
>>> version. That's a lot of weight off during daily driving routines and the
>>> towing and payload has gone up. Sounds good to me. I built a SuperCrew
>>> FX4 version on line, no leather or sunroof thank you, and got the price up
>>> to $46K. Now they are offering up to $8K in discounts and incentives.
>>> It's sounding better every day.
>>> I read an article recently that discusses the improvements on 1/2 ton
>>> trucks that bring them up to 3/4 ton levels from just a few years ago.
>>>
>>> Dave H.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Jeff Snook" <jeffsnook01@gmail.com <mailto:jeffsnook01@gmail.com>>
>>> To: fot@autox.team.net <mailto:fot@autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 12:25:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>>>
>>> We've got a customer with a new aluminum F150. He loves it. Says it tows a
>>> 7K lb. trailer and doesn't even know it's there!
>>>
>>> Sweet truck, but stickered for $60K!!!!!
>>>
>>> Jeff Snook
>>> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com <http://www.snooksdreamcars.com/>
>>> 419-344-0319 <tel:419-344-0319> (Mobile)
>>>
>>>
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