It's okay, I've calmed down now. I get that way sometimes when I'm hungry.
Luckily one of my colleagues had a bag of cookies:)
Alan, I really don't think any of this is a result of your obviously
tongue-in-cheek remark. James was trying to defend BMWs, it just didn't
sound that way when I first read it.
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: siastuning@attbi.com [mailto:siastuning@attbi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 3:34 PM
To: Thana, Peter {High~Palo Alto}
Cc: 'james creasy'; ba-autox@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: bmw != POS , was Re: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
WOW PETER!! You tell him!
Bad day at work Peter??
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> >sunday we test drove a 1999 740i sport package BMW... i toasted the
brakes
> >just test driving it on the street! smelled up the whole place when we
> took
> >it back. a nice car and certainly not a POS, but so numb you would learn
> >every bad habit in the book trying to drive that in a 'sporty' manner.
by
> >'numb' i mean you can give it ridiculously violent inputs and the car
> >responds very smoothly. difficult to get the rear out. (ps this
behemoth
> >is for the babe, not me!)
>
> Not sure what you're trying to prove, James. That BMWs are lily-livered
> pansy cars not capable of living up to your considerable machismo? If so
it
> sounds like scored a mighty victory over this poor car. Go test drive a
> bunch of other cars with 115 inch wheelbases and 4250lbs of weight to
carry
> around and then tell us which one is "numb". I've personally tried out a
> 740iL w/o sport package, and was amazed by how small it feels relative to
> its actual size. I pushed the car harder than its target market ever
would
> and was impressed, but obviously I didn't give it enough "ridiculously
> violent inputs". Saying that a two ton luxury sedan doesn't respond like
a
> shifter kart is like driving your FFR and complaining that it's too loud
and
> doesn't have cupholders. Extrapolating your experience with a 740 and one
> person's broken part on an M3 to show that BMWs are not capable of
surviving
> track use is just plain stupid.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: james creasy [mailto:Black94PGT@pacbell.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:35 PM
> To: Alan Gruner; Adam Steffes
> Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> Subject: bmw != POS , was Re: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
>
>
> my friend's E36 M3 busted the frame where the front sway bar mounts.
>
> to be fair, you gotta remember that these are mass produced as street
cars,
> not race cars. they arent designed to take the abuse of autocross or
track
> driving. as people abuse the new cars they discover the weak spots and
can
> beef them up.
>
> sunday we test drove a 1999 740i sport package BMW... i toasted the brakes
> just test driving it on the street! smelled up the whole place when we
took
> it back. a nice car and certainly not a POS, but so numb you would learn
> every bad habit in the book trying to drive that in a 'sporty' manner. by
> 'numb' i mean you can give it ridiculously violent inputs and the car
> responds very smoothly. difficult to get the rear out. (ps this behemoth
> is for the babe, not me!)
>
> -james c
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Gruner" <algruner@yahoo.com>
> > What kind of POS was it? :)
> >
> > --- Adam Steffes <asteffes@asteffes.com> wrote:
> > > A load induced by the 285-width Potenzas, I might
> > > add. It's not like the
> > > car was just a cheap POS.
> > > -Adam
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 21 May 2002, Navid Kahangi wrote:
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:59:55 -0700
> > > > From: Navid Kahangi <navid@interwoven.com>
> > > > To: 'Carl Merritt' <CMerritt@luminous.com>,
> > > > 'Pat Kelly' <lollipop487@attbi.com>,
> > > > 'Donald R McKenna'
> > > <donbarbmckenna@earthlink.net>,
> > > > Barry Spencer <bspencer@tsoft.com>, Peter
> > > Mottaz <mph_16@hotmail.com>,
> > > > bchafin@attglobal.net,
> > > ellenrosenbluth@hotmail.com, ellamt@sbc.com
> > > > Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > Subject: RE: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
> > > >
> > > > My power steering problem was not caused by German
> > > Engineering, it was good
> > > > ol' American handy work. The hose that I busted
> > > at Stockton a couple of
> > > > weeks ago was on back order, so I had a hose
> > > fabricated to get me going.
> > > > They did a great job on the hose, but they either
> > > didn't tighten the bolts
> > > > hard enough, or they came loose under load.
> > > >
> > > > Carl did an excellent job of driving his underdog
> > > NA car in T3, especially
> > > > in the twisty technical tracks!
> > > >
> > > > --Navid
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Carl Merritt
> > > [mailto:CMerritt@luminous.com]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:44 AM
> > > > > To: 'Pat Kelly'; Navid Kahangi; 'Donald R
> > > McKenna'; Barry
> > > > > Spencer; Peter
> > > > > Mottaz; bchafin@attglobal.net;
> > > ellenrosenbluth@hotmail.com;
> > > > > ellamt@sbc.com
> > > > > Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > > Subject: RE: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Speaking of German Engineering, at one point all
> > > three
> > > > > generations of M3s
> > > > > had power steering systems failing, Navid's E46,
> > > Lewis's
> > > > > turbo E36, and
> > > > > Tammy Hull's E30. Oh, and let's not forget the
> > > Mini-S
> > > > > (essentially a BMW)
> > > > > having it's electric PS cooling fan break too.
> > > Most amusing...
> > > > >
> > > > > ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > I just got videos up online from the OTC for
> > > those with
> > > > > bandwidth to spare:
> > > > >
> > >
> > http://www.binaryvista.com/ZCars/Z32/2002/OTC/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > > -Carl
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Pat Kelly [mailto:lollipop487@attbi.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:49 AM
> > > > > > To: Navid Kahangi; 'Donald R McKenna'; Barry
> > > Spencer; Peter Mottaz;
> > > > > > bchafin@attglobal.net;
> > > ellenrosenbluth@hotmail.com; ellamt@sbc.com
> > > > > > Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Typical. The old saying, 'first you have to
> > > finish...' Glad
> > > > > > the new models
> > > > > > are holding up the true Lotus tradition. :)
> > > > > > --Pat K
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > >From: Navid Kahangi <navid@interwoven.com>
> > > > > > >To: "'Donald R McKenna'"
> > > <donbarbmckenna@earthlink.net>,
> > > > > > Barry Spencer
> > > > > > <bspencer@tsoft.com>, Peter Mottaz
> > > <mph_16@hotmail.com>,
> > > > > > bchafin@attglobal.net,
> > > ellenrosenbluth@hotmail.com, ellamt@sbc.com
> > > > > > >Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
> > > > > > >Date: Tue, May 21, 2002, 10:39 AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Speaking of British reliability, both
> > > Lotuses (Motorsport
> > > > > > Elise and 340R) at
> > > > > > > the OTC were kicking major butts right up to
> > > the moment
> > > > > > they broke down.
> > > > > > > Something about the harmonic balancer coming
> > > apart and
> > > > > > destroying the timing
> > > > > > > belt and the valve train.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --Navid
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >> From: Donald R McKenna
> > > [mailto:donbarbmckenna@earthlink.net]
> > > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:06 AM
> > > > > > >> To: Barry Spencer; Peter Mottaz;
> > > bchafin@attglobal.net;
> > > > > > >> ellenrosenbluth@hotmail.com;
> > > ellamt@sbc.com; Navid Kahangi
> > > > > > >> Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > > > >> Subject: Re: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Barry,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >If Christopher and I can fix the clutch
> > > this weekend on his
> > > > > > >> KT100 he'll be
> > > > > > >> >there too. It's leaking oil and it's not
> > > British :>)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Now that's some "British" humor I can
> > > understand, having
> > > > > > "hung-around"
> > > > > > >> Trimuph motorcycles in my youth. But you
> > > know what? The Brits
> > > > > > >> must have
> > > > > > >> switched from Lucas refrigerators as, the
> > > last time I was
> > > > > > >> there the beer was
> > > > > > >> cold :-)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Don
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