>sunday we test drove a 1999 740i sport package BMW... i toasted the brakes
>just test driving it on the street! smelled up the whole place when we
took
>it back. a nice car and certainly not a POS, but so numb you would learn
>every bad habit in the book trying to drive that in a 'sporty' manner. by
>'numb' i mean you can give it ridiculously violent inputs and the car
>responds very smoothly. difficult to get the rear out. (ps this behemoth
>is for the babe, not me!)
Not sure what you're trying to prove, James. That BMWs are lily-livered
pansy cars not capable of living up to your considerable machismo? If so it
sounds like scored a mighty victory over this poor car. Go test drive a
bunch of other cars with 115 inch wheelbases and 4250lbs of weight to carry
around and then tell us which one is "numb". I've personally tried out a
740iL w/o sport package, and was amazed by how small it feels relative to
its actual size. I pushed the car harder than its target market ever would
and was impressed, but obviously I didn't give it enough "ridiculously
violent inputs". Saying that a two ton luxury sedan doesn't respond like a
shifter kart is like driving your FFR and complaining that it's too loud and
doesn't have cupholders. Extrapolating your experience with a 740 and one
person's broken part on an M3 to show that BMWs are not capable of surviving
track use is just plain stupid.
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: james creasy [mailto:Black94PGT@pacbell.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Alan Gruner; Adam Steffes
Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
Subject: bmw != POS , was Re: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
my friend's E36 M3 busted the frame where the front sway bar mounts.
to be fair, you gotta remember that these are mass produced as street cars,
not race cars. they arent designed to take the abuse of autocross or track
driving. as people abuse the new cars they discover the weak spots and can
beef them up.
sunday we test drove a 1999 740i sport package BMW... i toasted the brakes
just test driving it on the street! smelled up the whole place when we took
it back. a nice car and certainly not a POS, but so numb you would learn
every bad habit in the book trying to drive that in a 'sporty' manner. by
'numb' i mean you can give it ridiculously violent inputs and the car
responds very smoothly. difficult to get the rear out. (ps this behemoth
is for the babe, not me!)
-james c
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Gruner" <algruner@yahoo.com>
> What kind of POS was it? :)
>
> --- Adam Steffes <asteffes@asteffes.com> wrote:
> > A load induced by the 285-width Potenzas, I might
> > add. It's not like the
> > car was just a cheap POS.
> > -Adam
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 21 May 2002, Navid Kahangi wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:59:55 -0700
> > > From: Navid Kahangi <navid@interwoven.com>
> > > To: 'Carl Merritt' <CMerritt@luminous.com>,
> > > 'Pat Kelly' <lollipop487@attbi.com>,
> > > 'Donald R McKenna'
> > <donbarbmckenna@earthlink.net>,
> > > Barry Spencer <bspencer@tsoft.com>, Peter
> > Mottaz <mph_16@hotmail.com>,
> > > bchafin@attglobal.net,
> > ellenrosenbluth@hotmail.com, ellamt@sbc.com
> > > Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: RE: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
> > >
> > > My power steering problem was not caused by German
> > Engineering, it was good
> > > ol' American handy work. The hose that I busted
> > at Stockton a couple of
> > > weeks ago was on back order, so I had a hose
> > fabricated to get me going.
> > > They did a great job on the hose, but they either
> > didn't tighten the bolts
> > > hard enough, or they came loose under load.
> > >
> > > Carl did an excellent job of driving his underdog
> > NA car in T3, especially
> > > in the twisty technical tracks!
> > >
> > > --Navid
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Carl Merritt
> > [mailto:CMerritt@luminous.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:44 AM
> > > > To: 'Pat Kelly'; Navid Kahangi; 'Donald R
> > McKenna'; Barry
> > > > Spencer; Peter
> > > > Mottaz; bchafin@attglobal.net;
> > ellenrosenbluth@hotmail.com;
> > > > ellamt@sbc.com
> > > > Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > Subject: RE: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of German Engineering, at one point all
> > three
> > > > generations of M3s
> > > > had power steering systems failing, Navid's E46,
> > Lewis's
> > > > turbo E36, and
> > > > Tammy Hull's E30. Oh, and let's not forget the
> > Mini-S
> > > > (essentially a BMW)
> > > > having it's electric PS cooling fan break too.
> > Most amusing...
> > > >
> > > > ;-)
> > > >
> > > > I just got videos up online from the OTC for
> > those with
> > > > bandwidth to spare:
> > > >
> >
> http://www.binaryvista.com/ZCars/Z32/2002/OTC/index.html
> > > >
> > > > -Carl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Pat Kelly [mailto:lollipop487@attbi.com]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:49 AM
> > > > > To: Navid Kahangi; 'Donald R McKenna'; Barry
> > Spencer; Peter Mottaz;
> > > > > bchafin@attglobal.net;
> > ellenrosenbluth@hotmail.com; ellamt@sbc.com
> > > > > Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > > Subject: Re: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Typical. The old saying, 'first you have to
> > finish...' Glad
> > > > > the new models
> > > > > are holding up the true Lotus tradition. :)
> > > > > --Pat K
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------
> > > > > >From: Navid Kahangi <navid@interwoven.com>
> > > > > >To: "'Donald R McKenna'"
> > <donbarbmckenna@earthlink.net>,
> > > > > Barry Spencer
> > > > > <bspencer@tsoft.com>, Peter Mottaz
> > <mph_16@hotmail.com>,
> > > > > bchafin@attglobal.net,
> > ellenrosenbluth@hotmail.com, ellamt@sbc.com
> > > > > >Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > > >Subject: RE: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
> > > > > >Date: Tue, May 21, 2002, 10:39 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Speaking of British reliability, both
> > Lotuses (Motorsport
> > > > > Elise and 340R) at
> > > > > > the OTC were kicking major butts right up to
> > the moment
> > > > > they broke down.
> > > > > > Something about the harmonic balancer coming
> > apart and
> > > > > destroying the timing
> > > > > > belt and the valve train.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Navid
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >> From: Donald R McKenna
> > [mailto:donbarbmckenna@earthlink.net]
> > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:06 AM
> > > > > >> To: Barry Spencer; Peter Mottaz;
> > bchafin@attglobal.net;
> > > > > >> ellenrosenbluth@hotmail.com;
> > ellamt@sbc.com; Navid Kahangi
> > > > > >> Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > > >> Subject: Re: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Barry,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >If Christopher and I can fix the clutch
> > this weekend on his
> > > > > >> KT100 he'll be
> > > > > >> >there too. It's leaking oil and it's not
> > British :>)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Now that's some "British" humor I can
> > understand, having
> > > > > "hung-around"
> > > > > >> Trimuph motorcycles in my youth. But you
> > know what? The Brits
> > > > > >> must have
> > > > > >> switched from Lucas refrigerators as, the
> > last time I was
> > > > > >> there the beer was
> > > > > >> cold :-)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Don
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