>OSP Outrageous Slipangles Present
not really, it was:
OSP - Overly Scared Participants
but ESP was clearly:
ESP - Extremely Slippery Puddles
-james c
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Warner" <jabrwoky@pacbell.net>
To: "'james creasy'" <Black94PGT@pacbell.net>; "'Anthony Tabacco'"
<atabacco@california.com>; <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
Cc: "'Dennis and Sherry Armstrong'" <Miata@pacbell.net>; "'Natalie Tabacco'"
<gutsy52@juno.com>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Oakland Round 4 (was novice comment)
> I agree, I would like to try that course again in the dry.
>
> (in yesterdays context) OSP Outrageous Slipangles Present
>
>
> Chris
> #52-ESP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of james creasy
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:39 AM
> To: Anthony Tabacco; ba-autox@autox.team.net
> Cc: Dennis and Sherry Armstrong; Natalie Tabacco
> Subject: Re: Oakland Round 4 (was novice comment)
>
> super course tony! very fun. wish i had driven it better, but thats
> part
> of what made it good.
>
> -james c
> OSP - Overt Slipangles Preferred
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Tabacco" <atabacco@california.com>
> To: <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> Cc: "Dennis and Sherry Armstrong" <Miata@pacbell.net>; "Natalie Tabacco"
> <gutsy52@juno.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:27 AM
> Subject: Oakland Round 4 (was novice comment)
>
>
> > Since by the time of the morning drivers meeting it was clear that the
> event
> > was going to be run in fairly extreme conditions, basically standing
> and
> > sheeting water over all the course (and course lines that washed away
> > immediately), the need and procedures for extra caution in both
> driving
> and
> > working were covered in detail at the meeting. We were all very happy
> with
> > the overall performance of everyone. We did learn after the fact of
> one
> > oversight that needs to be looked at although fortunately no harm came
> of
> > it. For those of you who were not there, the event was run in
> sometimes
> > ankle deep water, even through the reg. table; No course lines or cone
> boxes
> > survived, and routine tasks like tech and posting fell victim to pens
> that
> > would not work in the wet. It was terrific!
> >
> > Dennis, Natalie and I talked about it and have decided that we would
> extend
> > our gratitude to all of the people who pitched in, and not single out
> > individuals because we though we might inadvertently omit out some
> one,
> and
> > we absolutely did not want that to happen. Under a constant downpour
> from
> > setup until the end of group four, people just pitched in to make it a
> > success. If we weren't all so cold, it would have been genuinely
> funny,
> but
> > people worked multiple groups, did three jobs, whatever was required
> to
> make
> > it happen. We sent the first car to the line at 8:55, did morning fun
> runs
> > (and by the way we couldn't believe any sane person would want to do
> that
> in
> > those conditions but they did), had time to rechalk the cones, sent
> the
> > afternoon groups out at 1:00 sharp and did an hour of very well
> attended
> > funs before pickup. Special thanks to the new comers in their
> discharge of
> > work assignments, particularly where one group had almost no
> experienced
> > help either on course or in the trailer. We don't know the count for
> > attendance yet (or the amount of rainfall) but both were more than we
> > expected. What a group!
> >
> > Thanks to all
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jerry Mouton" <jerry@moutons.org>
> > To: "Chuck Jones" <chuck.jones@oracle.com>; "Bay_Area_Autocross_List"
> > <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: Red Flag at Oakland event, 3/17
> >
> >
> > > Hi, Chuck,
> > >
> > > I was not there, but you have described a perfect
> > > red flag response.
> > >
> > > I am not sure what you mean by "track workers pulled out red flags"
> > > vs "course workers to pull out the flags" -- I am not aware of
> > > these two sets of workers??
> > >
> > > But from your description there was no dangerous situation -- the
> > > second car finisned a safe distance away from the first,
> > > delayed car. The flaggers showed excellent judgement!
> > >
> > > A car spinning out or stopping on course is not in and of itself
> > > a reason to throw the red flag. BUT the judgement that an oncoming
> > > car will get close enough to a slowed or stopped car to make
> > > a dangerous situation REQUIRES a red flag to be thrown.
> > >
> > > Flaggers must use good judgement and leave a wide margin
> > > of safety for cars and other course workers. If a car spins and
> > > another car is coming, red flag holders must get ready and watch
> > > the developing situation carefully, and move to a spot where their
> > > flag can be seen -- but not throw the flag while they see no danger
> > > will develop. As soon as things get too tight, they must get the
> > > following car or cars stopped. And if the third car is too far away
> > > to be involved, and things appear to be clearing up quickly, there's
> > > no reason to stop car 3 until they get close. Note that the
> flaggers
> > > have to be awake and paying attention to everything on the course
> > > -- this is always required for safety!
> > >
> > > It's the judgement that matters, and safety is the rule. So, if red
> flags
> > > had been thrown immediately for every running car, but there turned
> > > out to have been plenty of time -- it's not wrong. The judgement
> > > of the flaggers is always OK.
> > >
> > > But many times flaggers can see that the situation will clear up
> fine,
> > > and let it go safely. This is great.
> > >
> > > Many times, flaggers will red flag the whole course when a car
> > > spins and takes out 10 cones. If the offending car is out of
> > > the way, this is generally a bad call. This is not a dangerous
> > > situation.
> > >
> > > Courseworkers are
> > > (should be) watching traffic and get well clear when a car is
> > > coming, whether or not all the cones are back. A car on
> > > track may be in the middle of the run of the century, and the
> > > missing cones may not be critical to the course. The driver
> > > can make a call about a downed cone, and stop and claim a rerun
> > > if they want. (They have to judge whether the cone might be called
> > > against them, of course -- this is going through the driver's head
> > > -- but it should not be a concern of the flagger)
> > > The courseworkers can replace more cones
> > > between cars. Don't red flag for downed cones... unless you
> > > judge there is a dangerous situation developing.
> > >
> > > Related item: If you stop for a downed cone, or you're red flagged,
> > > hot foot it through the course (safely) after you get started again,
> > > watching carefully for courseworkers and other cars.
> > > Not racing, but driving smartly -- otherwise you may cause a red
> > > flag for the car behind you, or even wind up in a dangerous
> > > situation yourself, and further delay the event unnecessarily.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > Jerry Mouton mailto:jerry@moutons.org Laissez les bons
> temps
> > rouler!
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chuck Jones" <chuck.jones@oracle.com>
> > > To: <Webmaster@sfr-solo2.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:44 AM
> > > Subject: Red Flag at Oakland event, 3/17
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I am a newcomer to this activity, and expect to become a
> member
> and
> > > > participate in the events. I went to the Sunday event (March 17)
> at
> the
> > > > Oakland Coliseum. Even though the race was more like water skiing
> > > > because of the rain, I was intrigued and enjoyed myself.
> > > > I do have a question for you. There were typically 2-3 cars
> on
> the
> > > > track at any one time. In the third group, a car spun out about
> mid
> way
> > > > and took its time getting back on track. There was another car
> behind
> > > > it. Two track workers pulled out red flags, at which point I
> expected
> > > > all the course workers to pull out the flags, and all cars to
> stop.
> > > > However, neither of those things happened - Both cars continued
> on,
> and
> > > > the red flags went away. The second car finished close to the
> stalled
> > > > car, but not dangerously so.
> > > > One of the reasons I am attracted to autocross is the safety
> > > > provided by one car on (a section of) the track at a time. I was
> > > > watching by myself from the other side of the track, so I couldn't
> hear
> > > > any comments from the announcer. What should I have expected to
> see?
> > > > I know you are probably not the person to answer this, but I'd
> like
> > > > to know...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Chuck
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