Jim,
Just out of curiosity, what car and class do you compete in?
thanks,
Scott
2001 Z06, SS#71
jdmurphy47@aol.com wrote:
> I am not saying to use the OEM tires - most of them are worthless. I
> am saying to use the same tires as being used in the Street Tire
> classes with great success and growing entries. I am told that they
> are getting MANY more runs on these tires than the DOT slicks so cost
> per run goes DOWN. The ST classes are doing just fine with the
> current courses so what's the problem of using these same tires in the
> stock classes.
>
> The time has come to make stock more "stock".
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck and Donna #42 <teampointless@britsys.net>
> To: Scott Troyer - DDR TestEng <stroyer@micron.com>; JDMurphy47@aol.com
> Cc: MWood24020@aol.com; autox@autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:51:53 -0500
> Subject: Re: Street Tires in Stock Classes and Fewer Allowances
>
>Agreed! If it ain't broke don't fix it...
>If you limit the tires to OEM type, don't allow replacement parts etc, all
>you do is cut out a whole lot of cars that won't handle worth a toot as they
>sit on the showroom floor so you INCREASE costs because if you want to race
>you would have to buy one of the few cars that would be even drivable. Then
>to make those cars "fun" you'll have the same short sighted course designers
>just making courses with larger/fewer turns and the speed just goes back up
>but with less safe cars... Catch 22.
>The insurance companies are NOT going to be dictating courses, they will
>simply stop offering it if claims go up. We are VERY small potatoes to them
>in the grand scheme of the insurance world.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Troyer - DDR TestEng" <stroyer@micron.com
><mailto:stroyer%40micron.com>>
>To: <JDMurphy47@aol.com <mailto:JDMurphy47%40aol.com>>
>Cc: <MWood24020@aol.com <mailto:MWood24020%40aol.com>>; <autox@autox.team.net
><mailto:autox%40autox.team.net>>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:34 PM
>Subject: Re: Street Tires in Stock Classes and Fewer Allowances
>
>
>> I really don't think going to street tires is the answer.
>>
>> It is possible to set fun challenging courses that will allow our fastest
>> Stock and SP cars approach the upper limit of the rules as stated with
>> the use of DOT R rubber in Stock classes. And not go over. We do it
>> all the time.
>>
>> There is no need to make any rule changes or new classes. We just need
>> to increase our awareness. Roger Johnson has a course design handbook
>> on his websight. Maybe we need to review it. I don't even want to think
>> about the headaches going back to street tires will bring.
>>
>> Scott, SS#71
>> (not sure where the street tires are...)
>>
>> JDMurphy47@aol.com <mailto:JDMurphy47%40aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Mike,
>> >Speed is what the insurance people are looking at. As the tire
>technology
>> >improves with better grip (chief example are the ST classes) the need
>for DOT
>> >slicks becomes unnecessary. I hope others on this list more technical
>than I
>> >can provide a better answer. My one thought is that the breakaway speed
>is
>> >reduced thus the car speed has to be kept down in order to finish the
>course
>> >quickly. Remember that Solo in the early years did NOT have DOT slicks
>in
>> >the stock classes.
>> >
>> > I have been told that the marque clubs who have started street tire
>stock
>> >classes have seen a BIG increases in entries.
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