Just called Judy Cox again. She tells me I heard correctly yesterday ... but
now I've put enough doubt in her mind (reflecting the doubt put in mine by
you, et al) ... that she's gonna check with Pete and e-mail me back.
Not a done issue yet. Maybe the ultimate effect of this exercise is to get
Judy on the same page as Pete! LOL.
I get a feeling their *intent* is that the minor waiver (with both parents
signed off) can be a permanent thing. I pointed out to her the published
guidelines do not seem to say that, as the word "annual" is in the first
sentence.
With three or four of us bombing in on Pete on the same question, I'd bet a
cohesive answer comes out of it (and maybe a slight edit of the guidelines).
I'd even like to see a line in the guidelines -- if annual execution is what
is wanted -- that flatly stated "The multi-event waiver must be competed
anew every year." Or, in the alternative, "The multi-event waiver, once
properly completed, is good until the minor reaches the age of majority."
--Rocky
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Lieberman" <jlieberman@sport.rr.com>
To: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@tri.net>
Cc: ".KCautox" <kcautox@yahoogroups.com>; ".Wichita Region"
<Wichita-scca@autox.team.net>; ".Team.Net" <autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Minor waivers
> I'll try to address your points one-by-one, Rocky...
>
> Rocky Entriken wrote:
> > Philosophically, I don't disagree at all. And I also rather liked the
> > practice of having the parent/responsible adult sign the regular event
> > waiver in the name of the minor (if he already had the minor waiver on
> > file). That way, the minor was accounted for in the waivers FOR THAT
EVENT.
>
> I don't disagree with you there. That gave us a good record. However,
> as I appreciate it, that's no longer required
>
> > Also, the section in the waiver guidelines on minor waivers keeps
referring
> > to "annual/multi-event waiver." The word "annual" would seem to suggest
it
> > be done every year.
>
> That's my take on it - and the way I interpreted what Pete said in KC
>
> > But, talking with Judy Cox yesterday -- she's the Insurance
Administrator in
> > Topeka -- that is not how it was explained to me. Assuming I did not
> > misunderstand (always possible, but I asked the question in a couple of
> > different ways), the pink sheet becomes the "forever" waiver for a
minor.
>
> I tried to call Pete a few minutes ago to get it straight from the
> horse's mouth. But, as luck would have it, he's out of the office
> today. I'll try again Monday
>
> > Probably the idea it is good "forever" is the final sentences of the
> > guidelines: "Adult waivers must be retained a minimum of four years.
Minor
> > waivers must be retained until one year AFTER the minor reaches the age
of
> > majority." [their caps]. No need to keep it more than four years unless
it
> > was somehow still valid that long? Which in fact, in the past it has
been.
>
> I believe that has to do with the statute of limitations - which, as I
> understand it, is different for adults and minors. Personally, I just
> stick 'em all in a filing cabinet and leave 'em there until they rot or
> I run out of storage space!!!
>
> > But if I'm getting bum dope, or hearing it wrong, I'd sure want to know
> > sooner rather than later.
>
> Absotootly! That's why I raised the flag. With the state of the
> insurance industry being what it is today, Pete's really adamant about
> us filling out the waiver forms - adult or minor - properly and
> completely. He worked long and hard to get the insurance people to
> agree to just one minor waiver. Now he wants to make sure that we're
> all on the same page (and I do TOO)
>
> He and I are working on an article for the next Safety Belt on this very
> issue. I'll report back to EVERYBODY when I get some clarification from
him
>
> John (Old Fartz & TLS #37) Lieberman
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