>> I "bitched about" a competitor using the process in (again IMHO) an
unsportsmanlike
manner. <<
You showed up with an illegal car at Nationals.
One of your competitors followed the rules and procedures (that you did not)
and protested you.
You were given a DSQ.
You got home and explained how the protestee was unsportsmanlike.
Perhaps the true sportsman would have said something like, we're going to
get it fixed , and come back even stronger next year and let everything else
drop.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Madurski, Ronald M." <madurskir@saic.com>
To: <autox@autox.team.net>; <evolution-discussions@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [evolution-disc.] Sportmanship and Protests (Kinda long but
worth the read)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Cone [mailto:rickcone@bellsouth.net]
>
> : thing to do. It's the right thing to do at Local Events, and
> Divisionals.
>
> The "right thing to do" should not depend on a time, type of event, or
> anything else.
>
> : But... If you expect to trophy and perhaps win Nationals, you are
playing
> a
> : whole different game. Why on earth am I going to go up to someone and
> tell
> : them that I think X, Y, Z and H is wrong with their car, before we have
> : completed or even started competition runs? They might be gracious,
they
>
>
> You might not do it. I would do it because I believe that the
> ethical/sportsmanlike thing to do is make the competitor aware of the
> variance.
>
> : might get mad, upset, pissed off you name it. I should not have to
> create a
>
> If you do it in a confrontational manner the results will most likely be
> unpleasant. If it is the "right thing to do" the consequences should be
of
> little/no concern. This is where the line is drawn between a hero and a
> coward.
>
> : confrontation, just to be a sportsman. Something about that tells me
> it's
> : not sportsmanship. There have been people pissed off enough about a
> : potential protestor that they vandalized their car. Why should I have
to
>
> The potential protestor may have (he might have been an a** when
approaching
> the issue) behaved in a sportsmanlike manner, the protestee, obviously,
did
> not.
>
> : take on that potential burden just to appease those that believe in this
> : almighty sportsmanship is the way.
>
> Does that mean that you don't believe in sportsmanship :-)
>
> : If you are going to play this game to win, you better be prepared to
play
> : all the way through the impound shed. That is the game. If you don't
> like
> : it, find another game, change the rules, or quit bitching about the
> process.
>
> You are correct, it is part of the game. I don't plan on looking for
> another game. Rule changes are probably on the way. I have never
"bitched
> about" the process of protest/impound. I think that everyone involved did
a
> fine job, I felt the DSQ was a bit harsh, but that is just MHO. I
"bitched
> about" a competitor using the process in (again IMHO) an unsportsmanlike
> manner.
>
> : We don't write specific rules for sportsmanship only vehicle
eligibility
> and
> : preparation.
>
> I said it before and I'll say it again, you can't legislate morality.
>
> : Sportsmanship is shaking the hand of the winner at the end of the game.
> Not
> : telling him how or why he might lose before it starts. We are also
> taught
> : early on that it's not if you win or lose, its how you play the game
> : (sportsmanship). Since the game is not over until impound is over,
those
> : that complain about the procedures laid out in the book are the real
poor
> : sports.
>
> AGAIN, it's not what is "laid out in the book" with which I have a
problem.
> It is the implementation by the protestor.
>
> : So how do you file a protest and be a good sport?
>
> : 1) Make sure you are the person that tells the protested party about
the
> : protest. I would not want to hear about a protest from some guy with a
> : radio, golf cart and clip board saying we have to impound your car.
>
> I believe that this ( the golf cart clipboard method) is how the
protestees
> found out about their infractions.
>
> : 2) Be friendly and polite. I can't stress this enough. Through my
> entire
>
> No words were exchanged (that I am aware of) during impound between the
> protestor and the protestees.
>
> : protest of the Priebe/Eckert/Elder car this year, the level of
> 'friendship'
> : for lack of better word actually went up. Hell, We cut a deal at the
end
> of
> : the protest when it was obvious that nothing was going to be found and
I
> : helped them put the car back together. Last year after protesting
Robert
> : Carpenters car, and it looked like he might not get it back together
for
> the
> : second day of the prosolo, I offered him my car. How many people
protest
> : someone, and offer them their car? That's sportsmanship.
>
> I'll go along with that. I am guessing/hoping that in these cases the
rules
> infraction in question was not noticed until competition had begun. That
is
> a COMPLETELY different scenario than we are discussing. It's a nice story
> but not really relevant.
>
> : So those of you that show up at Nationals expecting to win or trophy,
and
> : want someone to tell them first of illegalities in/on their car.......
> IMHO,
> : you are trying to use 'Sportsmanship' to cover your poor vehicle
>
> Maybe, maybe not. It could be that the person really is cheating :-)
>
> : preparation. Now who is the real sportsman?
>
> I know it when I see it.
>
> : Rick Cone
>
> Ron (getting tired of this discussion) Madurski
> FM 124
>
>
>
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