I am the one who asked if anyone in your region had beaten Rupp in a
Neon...Ok, so Shields beat him. What does that prove? Shields is a better
driver? So put Shields in the Celica, and Rupp in the Neon, then see who
wins...My money would be on Shields and the Celica, taking nothing away from
Rupp who is also a good driver...However, you may have to let Sheilds take
the Celica and massage it a bit...8-)
I still don't see any proof that the Neon would be an overdog for the new
GS. If it is, so is the Probe GT, MX6, Camaro performane V6 pkg, and of
course the Celicas, GT and GTS, take your pick...
Cmon Rick, based on stuff I've seen you post over the years, you're smarter
than that...8-)
Phil O.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Cone" <rickcone@bellsouth.net>
To: "Team.Net" <autox@autox.team.net>; "Evolution"
<evolution-discussions@yahoogroups.com>; "Tyson D Sawyer" <tyson@rwii.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [evolution-disc.] Re: The Dadio Factor NOT!
> Well excuse me for reading too deep into your message. You ask who has
> beaten Rupp. And I tell you Shields beat all Celica's. Guess what he did
> beat all 00+ Celica's and that's what you were looking for.
>
> Your grasping at straws to keep you car competitive in Solo2. I admire
> that. But the fact is the Neon is a proven overdog for the class.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tyson D Sawyer" <tyson@rwii.com>
> To: "Team.Net" <autox@autox.team.net>; "Evolution"
> <evolution-discussions@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 4:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [evolution-disc.] Re: The Dadio Factor NOT!
>
>
> > Rick,
> >
> > Now you are just plain lying.
> >
> > 2000 Nationals:
> >
> > Jeff Cashmore - 113.551
> > Danny Shields - 113.565
> >
> > Ty
> >
> > Rick Cone wrote:
> > >
> > > >. I think someone in
> > > > Rick's own region has proved the potential of the new Celica.
Anyone
> > > beaten
> > > > Mr. Rupp in a Neon?.
> > >
> > > Bill Hughes did it at Peru last year. Danny Shileds was faster then
> EVERY
> > > Celica at Nationals 2000.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Phillip Osborne" <psosborn@gte.net>
> > > To: "Team.Net" <autox@autox.team.net>
> > > Cc: "Evolution" <evolution-discussions@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 2:21 PM
> > > Subject: Re: The Dadio Factor NOT!
> > >
> > > > I take exception to Rick's analogy. Sorry Rick, no malice
> intended...His
> > > > reasoning to me for Neons remaining
> > > > in the new D Stock, rather than be placed in the new G Stock, is
that
> > > Daddio
> > > > and others
> > > > were able to beat the Type R's and other G Stock, E Stock cars with
> Neons.
> > > > I don't know how many times
> > > > this happened, and facts related over years passed do not
necessarily
> > > reveal
> > > > the whole picture, course, rain, etc. I submit that Dadio, and
other
> top
> > > > Neon drivers, could take the
> > > > same Type R he beat, and win A or B stock with it, given enough
> > > developement
> > > > time. To take a car like the Neon, and say it is directly
competitive
> > > with
> > > > a WRX, which has had NO developement time yet in stock form, and a
> Type R,
> > > > that has development time and being improved every season, and say
> they
> > > > have the same potential, yet are so different in stock form, is
> certainly
> > > > not comparing apples to apples. How do you compare an open diff
> 132/150
> > > > horsepower front driver to a LSD, 195hp car of nearly the same
weight?
> > > Look
> > > > at the difference in wheel size, 14x6 vs 16x7.5! Take away the
> limited
> > > > slip, and the advantage still goes to Type R. And the WRX, with it's
> 224
> > > hp,
> > > > available 17" wheels, awd, and limited slip, is miles ahead, even
with
> > > it's
> > > > relatively heavy curb weight.
> > > > To go a step further, give Daddio a Celica GT, or GTS, and watch him
> beat
> > > > Type R's with that after a bit of development time. To say that the
> new
> > > > Celicas
> > > > are not competitive with Neons is a bit of a stretch. I think
someone
> in
> > > > Rick's own region has proved the potential of the new Celica.
Anyone
> > > beaten
> > > > Mr. Rupp in a Neon?.
> > > > Neon drivers, you need to present your argument to the SEB, or you
> will be
> > > > getting whupped big time next year in the new D Stock.
> > > > Phil O.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rick Cone" <rickcone@bellsouth.net>
> > > > To: <autox@autox.team.net>
> > > > Cc: "Evolution" <evolution-discussions@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:24 PM
> > > > Subject: The Dadio Factor NOT!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I sent this to another person on Team.net....
> > > > >
> > > > > Kinda proof that the Neon has gotten slower because drivers have
> gotten
> > > > > slower and it needs to get classed where it CAN perform not HAS
> perfom
> > > > since
> > > > > the Neon money went away.
> > > > >
> > > > > ======================
> > > > >
> > > > > In 97 DS beat ES and GS at every National Tour
> > > > > On average the top 5 drivers in DS beat ES and GS.
> > > > >
> > > > > In 98 from the 3 events on the web...
> > > > > ES won once by 0.6 The other two events 5.5 drivers beat ES
> > > > >
> > > > > In 99 (last year for Neon money)
> > > > > On average the top 4 DS cars beat ES. The closest ES came was .09
> in
> > > > > Evansville
> > > > >
> > > > > In 2000 No more Dadio or Neon $$$
> > > > > ES and DS are right on top of each other. The new Celica with
> little
> > > > > development gets 2 wins.
> > > > >
> > > > > In 2001 ES
> > > > > ES and DS again are close. ES probably being a little better. #
of
> New
> > > > > Celica wins 0
> > > > >
> > > > > Whats all this mean?
> > > > >
> > > > > DS is getting slower, because The cars that are predominantly
> winning ES
> > > > are
> > > > > cars that have equal if not better development then the Neon
(Celica
> ST,
> > > > > Honda CRX)
> > > > >
> > > > > When the Neon was beating HS and ES it was more then just Daddio
> doing
> > > it.
> > > > > Typically the top 5 or 6 in DS were doing it.
> > > > >
> > > > > The car has the potential to dominate the class. It has before in
> the
> > > > past
> > > > > if you work the numbers. Therefore it should stay in DS.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick
> > > > >
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