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RE: Big Brother, the original question

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Subject: RE: Big Brother, the original question
From: "Tharpe, Joe (RyTull Coil)" <JoeT@ryersoncoil.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:17:58 -0500
Wouldn't the burden of proof be on them to prove that you were using the
vehicle in question.  Ask the dealer to prove that it was your car that was
being driven.  If they cannot prove that it was the vehicle being serviced
then they should service the vehicle.  Unless there is a record of GPS
locator information for the vehicle in question, and there is no
photographic evidence that the vehicle in question was actually being used
in competition, then how can they deny service?  The SCCA does not require
VIN's at check in.  Maybe you drove there in your vehicle, used a friends
vehicle in competition.  I would think they would have to prove that you
were using the vehicle in question in competition.  Just because your name
shows up on a results sheet does not mean you were driving a particular
vehicle.  Maybe one just like it.  

Just my 2 cents.

Joe ( I still think this monitoring stuff is all wrong)
  

 -----Original Message-----
From:   Rocky Entriken [mailto:rocky@tri.net] 
Sent:   Monday, June 25, 2001 4:54 PM
To:     .Team.Net
Subject:        Big Brother, the original question

Okay, folks, the thread wandered off to other interesting angles, but
quickly away from the original question.

Not asking here about whether or not autox activity SHOULD be covered under
warranty, or whether advertising with a performance theme is tacit approval
for using the products in a performance mode.

The question is -- are reports real of GM (or any automaker) using autox
RESULTS they find on SCCA websites as cause for voiding warranties, or is
this urban legend? Ditto insurance companies using such data to void
policies or refuse claims.

This was generated by the local (newbie) competitor asking that his finish
be left off the results so GM would not know he was using their Z06 for such
nefarious purposes.

Is this Chicken Little? Or is the sky really falling?

I want to be able to tell the fellow his fears are groundless -or- urge SCCA
to get proactive with GM et al to cease such practice.

The closest (and about only) response on point so far is the one from Arthur
Emerson about VW and Nissan dealerships in Jersey sending service reps to
the dragstrip to photo and note cars that were competing. That still does
not confirm any "spying" on our websites.

--Rocky Entriken

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