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Re: CM F2000

To: "Bill Engle, Sr." <whesr@iglou.com>
Subject: Re: CM F2000
From: j <garryj@localnet.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:47:12 -0500
Hmmmm.   I believe you are correct.  So perhaps he shouldn't be hawking 
the FF2000 for CM either.

Bill Engle, Sr. wrote:

> Yes, but Tommy isn't going to like adding 1000 lbs. to his car.  IMHO
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> At 04:16 PM 12/29/2003, j wrote:
>
>> Tommy wrote:
>>  > Don't over react!  Think about it, the 2000 fits.
>>
>>
>> Actually, the place for FF2000 is B Mod.  The FA cars are very expensive
>> to buy, develop, and maintain.  The sportsracers and big formula cars
>> are the ones that need to be restricted in some way to allow the FF2000
>> to be competitive.  I believe a FF2000 set up as well as a top notch CM
>> car would beat CM by at least 1.5 seconds per day at Nationals, maybe
>> more.  It wouldn't take all that much to slow down the current BM cars
>> to make FF2000 competitive there.
>>
>> So if there is an outcry to make the FF2000 competitive in Solo II, then
>> a realigned BM is the place for it.  However, except for maybe one voice
>> on the MAC, Chris P, and Tommy, there has been no call for it.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> Josh Sirota wrote:
>>
>> > What is it Tommy, are you afraid of those FF2000s kicking your ass in
>> > BM?  :-)
>> >
>> > Seriously, I'm not a fan of restrictors and huge weight penalties to
>> > try to produce equality.  These sorts of things just produce bastard
>> > cars.  Especially considering that the proposal in Fastrack calls for
>> > removing the wings.
>> >
>> > Personally, if I were to get into the class again, and the options 
>> were:
>> >      FF1600 (as today)
>> >      S2000 (as today)
>> >      FF2000 without wings and with restrictors/weight
>> > I can't imagine wanting to do the third one, unless the restrictors
>> > and weight penalties were such that I thought it would still have an
>> > advantage.  Why do you think this would increase CM class entries?
>> >
>> >
>> >     ----- Original Message -----
>> >     From: Tom Saunders <mailto:tomsaunders1@charter.net>
>> >     To: Gary Godula <mailto:ggodula@ford.com>
>> >     Cc: Jim and Rose Ann Garry <mailto:garryj@localnet.com> ; Andy
>> >     Hollis <mailto:awhollis@swbell.net> ; Bill Gendron
>> >     <mailto:smallfortune@juno.com> ; Bill Smiley
>> >     <mailto:SmileyRacing@email.msn.com> ; Bob Woods
>> >     <mailto:woods@mae.uta.edu> ; Bruce Dickey
>> >     <mailto:mbrucedickey@aol.com> ; CHARLES J VOBORIL
>> >     <mailto:cvoboril@msn.com> ; Charlie Mathews
>> >     <mailto:cmathews3@mchsi.com> ; CM <mailto:autox-cm@autox.team.net>
>> >     ; Colan Arnold <mailto:colan.arnold@seabury.com> ; Craig Carr
>> >     <mailto:solocarr@earthlink.net> ; Dan Cole
>> >     <mailto:Eurocross@aol.com> ; Doug Gill <mailto:DGill@scca.com> ;
>> >     Eric Jones <mailto:edj@austin.ibm.com> ; Josh Sirota
>> >     <mailto:josh@sirota.org> ; Kenny Baker
>> >     <mailto:webmaster@autocross.com> ; Mark Sirota
>> >     <mailto:mark@sirota.org> ; peter calhoun
>> >     <mailto:CALHOUN65@aol.com> ; Pruett, Christopher (CK)
>> >     <mailto:CKPruett@dow.com> ; Sam & Greg Scharnberg
>> >     <mailto:samandgreg@netins.net> ; Stuart Lumpkin
>> >     <mailto:lumpkins@cdcstihl.biz> ; Voboril, Chuck
>> >     <mailto:Chuck.Voboril@specastro.com>
>> >     Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 11:10 AM
>> >     Subject: CM F2000
>> >
>> >     Gary
>> >
>> >     Don't over react!  Think about it, the 2000 fits.
>> >
>> >     Frame and suspension are the same, in some cases, exactly.
>> >
>> >     Power easily fixed with restrictor plate, conservatively.
>> >
>> >     CM has turned the corner, beginning to decline.  Check numbers.
>> >     FF has been in decline for years.
>> >
>> >     S2000 has not been overwhelming in CM, even with hp and downforce
>> >     advantage.  They look big, because of body, but wb/track
>> >     essentially the same.
>> >
>> >     F2000 is healthy.  We will also have to address FSCCA soon,
>> >     another version of F2000, which should also land in CM, 
>> restricted.
>> >
>> >     IMHO, the stock F2000 wings/diffusers have little effect in Solo 2

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