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You=E2=80=99ll find several examples of the Lucas windtone (WT618) high and l=
ow note on eBay.co.uk popularly fitted to all Jaguars of the 60s/70s and oth=
er prestige British makes. Not cheap but they also were fitted on side scree=
n TRs as well. A penetrating blast of sound which is what=E2=80=99s needed i=
n modern traffic.
Jonmac
At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=9D
Duke of Wellington: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D
> On 21 Aug 2020, at 19:20, Larry Young <cartravel@pobox.com> wrote:
>=20
> I think in my 50+ years of TR250 ownership, I've replaced horns about 4 or=
5 times. They seem to be getting worse, because I've replaced them twice in=
the past 5 years and they currently don't work. Yes, the button itself is p=
roblematic too. I usually test them with a 12v battery first. Does anyone kn=
ow where to buy horns that will last, or should I just remain hornless? - La=
rry Young
>=20
>> On 8/21/2020 7:41 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
>> That is a good point. The horns must have a good ground, too. The relay=
is grounded through the horn push to the steering shaft through the link wi=
re around the rubber coupling to the rack and through a ground link from the=
rack to the frame. Any issues with that chain of events will cause the pro=
blem. Jumpering the relay will bypass all the steering column connections a=
nd will be a good diagnosis tool. =20
>>=20
>> Check the easy stuff first.
>>=20
>> For your self-beeping problem, it may be something as simple as the plast=
ic sleeve for the bush that connects the horn push to the slip ring. That i=
s no more problem to replace than pulling the horn push out, extracting the o=
ld bush assembly and replacing it.
>>=20
>> Dave=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: im sloane <im_sloane@hotmail.com>
>> To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 12:44 am
>> Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 horn relay
>>=20
>> I'm no Dan Masters, but I've always found the most likely culprit is not g=
etting a solid ground from the horn button, especially if it works sometimes=
, when wiggling the wheel, etc. You can connect the purple/black wire as the=
negative end of a test light to check. All the little stuff inside the stee=
ring wheel must be just right. The steering column itself must have a solid g=
round (to send to the relay via the button). Check the ground wire that goes=
thru/around the steering column rubber coupling and the ground wire that co=
nnects to the steering gear box.=20
>>=20
>> Mine 'self blows' when I'm hard cornering, which always makes my wife la=
ugh. Yea, I know that problem comes from inside the wheel/button. Someday..
>>=20
>> Sloane
>> 69-Six
>> 72-Spit
>>=20
>> From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <dav=
e1massey@cs.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 6:51 PM
>> To: dctr6@optonline.net <dctr6@optonline.net>; 6pack@autox.team.net <6pac=
k@autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 horn relay
>> =20
>>=20
>>=20
>> I have found that the horns themselves stop working. New, Italian-mate h=
orns are available at the local parts stores for around $10 each. But check=
them out first.=20
>>=20
>> Dave=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> To: 6pack@autox.team.net
>> Sent: Thu, Aug 20, 2020 1:15 pm
>> Subject: [6pack] TR6 horn relay
>>=20
>> A newbie question from a 31-year 1976 TR6 owner =E2=80=93 Where=E2=80=99=
s the horn relay? Horn is working only very occasionally and I figure the ea=
siest first thing to look at is the contacts on the relay. I=E2=80=99ve =
included a picture of the fuse box area and a f=
ew of the relays =E2=80=93 which one is the horn or is it somewhere else? I=
have Dan Master=E2=80=99s book so if it=E2=80=99s not the relay, I know whe=
re to go next. Thanks. Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">You=E2=80=99ll find several examples of the=
Lucas windtone (WT618) high and low note on <a href=3D"http://eBay.co.uk";>e=
Bay.co.uk</a> popularly fitted to all Jaguars of the 60s/70s and other prest=
ige British makes. Not cheap but they also were fitted on side screen TRs as=
well. A penetrating blast of sound which is what=E2=80=99s needed in modern=
traffic.<div><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" di=
r=3D"ltr">At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:<div>Lord Uxbridge: =E2=80=9C=
By God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=9D</div><div>Duke of Wellington=
: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D</div><div><br></div></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 21 Aug 2020, at 19:20, Larry Young <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:cartravel@pobox.com">cartravel@pobox.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">
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I think in my 50+ years of TR250 ownership, I've replaced horns
about 4 or 5 times. They seem to be getting worse, because I've
replaced them twice in the past 5 years and they currently don't
work. Yes, the button itself is problematic too. I usually test them
with a 12v battery first. Does anyone know where to buy horns that
will last, or should I just remain hornless? - Larry Young<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 8/21/2020 7:41 AM, DAVID MASSEY
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:788920343.4091929.1598013704078@ma=
il.yahoo.com">
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8">
<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"3">That is a good point. The horns must ha=
ve
a good ground, too. The relay is grounded through the horn=
push to the steering shaft through the link wire around the
rubber coupling to the rack and through a ground link from
the rack to the frame. Any issues with that chain of event=
s
will cause the problem. Jumpering the relay will bypass al=
l
the steering column connections and will be a good diagnosis
tool. <br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3">Check the easy stuff first.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3">For your self-beeping problem, it may be
something as simple as the plastic sleeve for the bush that
connects the horn push to the slip ring. That is no more
problem to replace than pulling the horn push out,
extracting the old bush assembly and replacing it.</font><br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
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<div> <br>
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">-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: im sloane <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:=
im_sloane@hotmail.com"><im_sloane@hotmail.com></a><br>
To: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:6pack@aut=
ox.team.net">6pack@autox.team.net</a> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" hre=
f=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";><6pack@autox.team.net></a><br>
Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 12:44 am<br>
Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 horn relay<br>
<br>
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica,
sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
I'm no Dan Masters, but I've always found the most
likely culprit is not getting a solid ground from the
horn button, especially if it works sometimes, when
wiggling the wheel, etc. You can connect the
purple/black wire as the negative end of a test light to
check. All the little stuff inside the steering wheel
must be just right. The steering column itself must have
a solid ground (to send to the relay via the button).
Check the ground wire that goes thru/around the steering
column rubber coupling and the ground wire that connects
to the steering gear box. </div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica,
sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica,
sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Mine 'self blows' when I'm hard cornering, which alway=
s
makes my wife laugh. Yea, I know that problem comes from
inside the wheel/button. Someday..</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica,
sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica,
sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Sloane</div>
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sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
69-Six</div>
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sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
72-Spit</div>
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tyle=3D"font-size:11pt;" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"
color=3D"#000000"><b>From:=
</b> 6pack
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:6pac=
k-bounces@autox.team.net"><6pack-bounces@autox.team.net></a> on behalf=
of
DAVID MASSEY <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D=
"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";><dave1massey@cs.com></a><br clear=3D"none"=
>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 20, 2020 6:51 PM<br clea=
r=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D=
"mailto:dctr6@optonline.net";>dctr6@optonline.net</a>
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6@optonline.net"><dctr6@optonline.net></a>; <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-a=
bbreviated" href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@autox.team.net</a>
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<div><font size=3D"3">I have found that the horns
themselves stop working. New, Italian-mate
horns are available at the local parts stores
for around $10 each. But check them out
first.
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<div style=3D"clear:both;"><font size=3D"4">Dave </fon=
t><br clear=3D"none">
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ormal" style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">=
A newbie question from a 31-year 1976=
TR6 owner =E2=80=93 Where=E2=80=99s the horn=
relay? Horn
is working only very occasionally and I
figure the easiest first thing to look
at is the contacts on the relay. I=E2=80=
=99ve
included a picture of the fuse box area
and a few of the relays =E2=80=93 which one i=
s
the horn or is it somewhere else? I
have Dan Master=E2=80=99s book so if it=E2=80=
=99s not
the relay, I know where to go next.
Thanks. Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY
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