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sorry to be the overly precise one here. the word is HYGROSCOPIC, not =
hydroscopic. hydroscopic refers to a hydroscope.
yes, its wrong on their web site. we should all call them and tell them =
of their mistake! their phone number is 800-442-0335. they are closed =
now, so first thing in the morning . . .
when pouring, use a large screwdriver or anything flat and long to =
prevent air bubbles.
From: J B via 6pack=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 12:14 PM
To: Jim Jones ; James_ ; 6pack@autox.team.net=20
Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...
Great question about the floors that I am also contemplating. I like =
seeing all the responses to the questions.=20
I did not know the answer but I found a good answer online that matched =
other responses from (I have no link/business to them) : =
www.muskegonbrake.com
Converting to silicone brake fluid has pros and cons, all of which =
should be considered before making the transition.. To start with, there =
are a few very good reasons to convert to DOT5 silicone brake fluid:
a.. Silicone fluid is non-hydroscopic (it doesn=E2=80=99t attract or =
absorb water)=20
b.. It will not ruin paint (glycol fluid will remove paint)=20
c.. Silicone brake fluid has a higher dry boiling point than DOT3 and =
DOT4 fluid, providing better, more rugged performance under pressure=20
d.. Silicone is a full synthetic fluid with superior lubrication =
properties for the pistons in the braking system (reduces wear on the =
seals and pistons)
As great as all this sounds, there are a few drawbacks as well:
a.. Silicone brake fluid does not mix with water, so any water that =
enters the system will travel to the lowest point (low point in caliper =
ore line)=20
b.. It will not mix with glycol based DOT3, DOT4, or DOT5.1 fluids =
(can create a gel, damaging braking system if mixed)=20
c.. Silicone brake fluid cannot be used in ABS braking systems
These drawbacks should be taken into consideration before you switch, to =
make sure that a) your auto's braking system is up for the conversion, =
and b) the conversion to silicone brake fluid is done properly to ensure =
no damage is done to the vehicle.
The best time to convert to silicone brake fluid is when you are =
replacing the major brake system components, especially the master =
cylinder and calipers. Installing our Super Brake Kit is a great =
example. With the Super Brake Kit, you will replace all four calipers, =
rubber hoses, and the master cylinder, removing all brake fluid from the =
system and allowing for an easy conversion.
When pouring silicone brake fluid, do so slowly. DOT5 fluid has the =
ability to become aerated easily, which means that when handled quickly =
it can develop small bubbles. Pouring slowly to minimize splashing is =
best. Similarly, it has been suggested that if you uncap a bottle of =
DOT5 the day before you plan to work on the vehicle, it will allow any =
trapped air bubbles to rise to the top and dissipate.
When bleeding the brakes, use nice, even strokes to minimize the =
cavitation, which can create air bubbles. Alternatively, gravity =
bleeding is another way to reduce the amount of air bubbles in the =
system.
Hope this helps.
JB
Long live team 6pack!
On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 9:25 AM, Jim Jones via 6pack =
<6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:
James:
These are not particularly rare cars (yet) so it's hard to make a case =
for the kind of repair this British car "artiste" is pushing. =
Objectively speaking, this guy is so stubbornly set in his ways that I =
would walk away from him - no run!
I had a moment of truth like that with my car. It was there in plain =
sight when I drove 700 miles to buy it - fiberglass patch on the panel =
beneath the battery. It was not exactly pristine correct but it was =
solid. I had to make a decision then, but I did buy it. After all the =
other work I did on the car it was NOT an item that ever caused me =
concern. Frankly, if I was faced with doing that same repair I probably =
would have done the same thing.
What I'm saying here is that if you enjoy your car and are otherwise =
happy with it, save yourself some money and have it fixed in whatever =
way that makes sense. Like paint and modifications, repairs can be =
re-done by future owners.
PS - Silicone fluid is just fantastic!
=20
Jim Jones=20
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From: James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:42 PM
Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...
Hi all=E2=80=A6
First=E2=80=A6.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk =
away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my entire adult =
life.
I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin =
Healey's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and =
accustom to people with deep pockets.
So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach =
to have work done 100% thorough and correct.
First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to =
replace.
First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.
Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and =
welded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has
eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box =
too.
(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)
So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels =
repaired and powder coated.
Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money =
and the rest of the year.
Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car =
that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is =
worth.
I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust =
bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close to =
showroom condition!!!
I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / =
hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what else=E2=80=A6
=E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and =
live with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.
or:
Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that =
"mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.
- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, =
what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and I know the history of THIS =
car.
Or:
another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the =
areas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a =
really good welding job=20
but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I =
know=E2=80=A6you get what you pay for.=20
This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and =
everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay =
painted.
At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth =
more they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!
(only half kidding=E2=80=A6.)
Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.
this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake =
fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided =
if I use it.
I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there =
is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the =
warranty department!
He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. =
hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.
Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=20
I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just =
follows what his dad hates.=20
I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 =
Silicone as much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's =
comments=E2=80=A6is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?
Well, any advice or words of comfort?
James
1976 TR6=20
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PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; =
LINE-HEIGHT: 18px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">Converting=20
to silicone brake fluid has pros and cons, all of which should be =
considered=20
before making the transition.. To start with, there are a few very good =
reasons=20
to convert to DOT5 silicone brake fluid:</DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida =
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drawbacks should be taken into consideration before you switch, to make =
sure=20
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conversion to silicone brake fluid is done properly to ensure no damage =
is done=20
to the vehicle.</DIV>
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PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; =
LINE-HEIGHT: 18px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">The=20
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the major=20
brake system components, especially the master cylinder and =
calipers. =20
Installing our Super Brake Kit is a great example. With the Super Brake =
Kit, you=20
will replace all four calipers, rubber hoses, and the master cylinder, =
removing=20
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conversion.</DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida =
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PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; =
LINE-HEIGHT: 18px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">When=20
pouring silicone brake fluid, do so slowly. DOT5 fluid has the =
ability to=20
become aerated easily, which means that when handled quickly it can =
develop=20
small bubbles. Pouring slowly to minimize splashing is best. =
Similarly, it=20
has been suggested that if you uncap a bottle of DOT5 the day before you =
plan to=20
work on the vehicle, it will allow any trapped air bubbles to rise to =
the top=20
and dissipate.</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62358=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida =
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PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; =
LINE-HEIGHT: 18px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">When=20
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which=20
can create air bubbles. Alternatively, gravity bleeding is another way =
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id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62795>Hope this helps.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_61981 dir=3Dltr><SPAN=20
id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1433910730089_62169>Long live team 6pack!</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 =
9:25 AM, Jim=20
Jones via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> =
wrote:<BR></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>
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<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23991><SPAN=20
id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24298>James:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23990><SPAN><BR=20
clear=3Dnone></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982 dir=3Dltr>These =
are not=20
particularly rare cars (yet) so it's hard to make a case for the kind of =
repair=20
this British car "artiste" is pushing. Objectively speaking, this guy is =
so=20
stubbornly set in his ways that I would walk away from him - no =
run!<SPAN><BR=20
clear=3Dnone></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982 =
dir=3Dltr> </DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982 dir=3Dltr><SPAN=20
id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23981>I had a moment of =
truth like=20
that with my car. It was there in plain sight when I drove 700 miles to =
buy it -=20
fiberglass patch on the panel beneath the battery. It was not exactly =
pristine=20
correct but it was solid. I had to make a decision then, but I did buy =
it. After=20
all the other work I did on the car it was NOT an item that ever caused =
me=20
concern. Frankly, if I was faced with doing that same repair I probably =
would=20
have done the same thing.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982 =
dir=3Dltr><SPAN><BR=20
clear=3Dnone></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982 dir=3Dltr>What =
I'm saying=20
here is that if you enjoy your car and are otherwise happy with it, save =
yourself some money and have it fixed in whatever way that makes sense. =
Like=20
paint and modifications, repairs can be re-done by future owners.</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982 =
dir=3Dltr> </DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982 dir=3Dltr>PS - =
Silicone=20
fluid is just fantastic!</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982 dir=3Dltr><BR=20
clear=3Dnone> </DIV>
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<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23937>Jim Jones <BR=20
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<FONT id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24289 size=3D2=20
face=3DArial><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> =
James_ via 6pack=20
<6pack@autox.team.net><BR clear=3Dnone><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> "6pack@autox.team.net"=20
<6pack@autox.team.net> <BR clear=3Dnone><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:42 =
PM<BR=20
clear=3Dnone><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> =
[6pack]=20
Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...<BR =
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<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24281>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24280 dir=3Dltr>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24286>Hi =
all=E2=80=A6</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24285> </DIV>
<DIV =
id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24284>First=E2=80=A6.<SPAN=20
id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24283 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">I am so=20
depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk =
away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of=20
my entire adult life.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24279> </DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24491>I just met and =
got a quote=20
from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey's=E2=80=A6and I gather =
he does very=20
high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to people with deep pockets.</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24516>So that was =
probably my=20
mistake, but still is probably the best approach to have work done 100% =
thorough=20
and correct.</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24451> </DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24450>First: I was =
told floor=20
pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24484>First =
overwhelming=20
thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24490> </DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24485>Second: I have a =
few bad=20
spots of rust that need panels fabricated and welded. The worse is under =
the=20
master cylinder and rust has</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24448>eaten through =
the inner=20
and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.</DIV>
<DIV>(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24483> </DIV>
<DIV>So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, =
panels=20
repaired and powder coated.</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24486>Sounds awesome. =
But it all=20
gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of the =
year.</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24487>Roughly, looking =
at=20
$10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know =
repairing=20
old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24489>I know that. =
Don't lecture=20
about that. But...<SPAN =
id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24488=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. =
And for=20
$20K I can </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">find a car</SPAN><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> that </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">comes close=20
to showroom condition!!!</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / =
hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what=20
else=E2=80=A6</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24452>=E2=80=A6I am at =
a loss as to what=20
to do. One option: Say screw it and live with the rotten areas, put the =
car back=20
to gather and drive it.</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24482><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">or:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that=20
"mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.</DIV>
<DIV>- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, =
what's the=20
point. Mine isn't THAT awful and <SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I =
know the=20
history of THIS car.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24455><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR clear=3Dnone></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24454>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24453>Or:</DIV>
<DIV>another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the =
areas repaired=20
and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really good =
welding job=20
</DIV>
<DIV>but not nearly as intense of a procedure <FONT size=3D3>or =
expensive. I=20
know</FONT>=E2=80=A6<FONT size=3D3>you get what you pay for. =
</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3><BR clear=3Dnone></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out =
and=20
everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay =
painted.</DIV>
<DIV>At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be =
worth more=20
they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!</DIV>
<DIV>(only half kidding=E2=80=A6.)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24481>this guy is DEAD =
set=20
against my thought of switching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD =
set=20
against and talking about warranty being voided if I use it.</DIV>
<DIV>I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like =
there is=20
a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the =
warranty=20
department!</DIV>
<DIV>He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. =
hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They=20
void it if the silicone falls the parts.</DIV>
<DIV>Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid. </DIV>
<DIV>I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he =
just=20
follows what his dad hates. </DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24480> </DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24457>I was recently =
curious why=20
<FONT id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24456 size=3D3>auto =
stores don't=20
seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now with =
this=20
restoration guy's comments</FONT>=E2=80=A6<FONT=20
id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24458 size=3D3>is Silicone =
THAT=20
bad/poorly rated?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24459> </DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24477>Well, any advice =
or words=20
of comfort?</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24478> </DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24479>James</DIV>
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