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21. RE: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: "Mark J. Andy" <marka@telerama.com>; Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:58:39 -0500 (EST); And, of course, the only acceptable outcome of research is changes, right? What if the research shows that there's no perceptible difference among the options? Ok, everyone keeps comparing NASCAR sa; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00635.html (12,403 bytes)
22. RE: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: "Jan Schmidt" <jschmidt@kumc.edu>; Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:11:52 -0600; What Nascar needs to do is put the "stock" back in stock car racing. When was the last time you saw a 2 door coupe with V8 and rear wheel drive as a production car? 10 years? 15 years?? They nees to; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00636.html (13,069 bytes)
23. RE: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: "Eric Salem" <eric@mail.brown911.com>; Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:36:09 -0600; <<I think that_questions_ should be asked. I absolutely 100% _don't_ think that any of the armchair quarterbacks who probably have the same level of racing safety training I do (i.e. none) are right; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00638.html (10,969 bytes)
24. RE: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: "Mark J. Andy" <marka@telerama.com>; Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:52:16 -0500 (EST); You make good points on all this stuff. I'm not gonna argue with any of them, but I do have a question. ? I thought one of the key points of an SA helmet vs. an M helmet was that it could absorb mul; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00640.html (11,733 bytes)
25. RE: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: Larry Joffe <spdrcr5@bigfoot.com>; Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:44:57 -0500; The ONLY difference between an SA and an M Rated helmet is the SA helmet has a Nomex liner. That is it. A friend of mine actually contact the Snell Foundation to ask this very question. The number o; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00641.html (14,515 bytes)
26. RE: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: "Mark J. Andy" <marka@telerama.com>; Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:30:01 -0500 (EST); That made my head hurt. "Lack of a rule" wasn't the issue. It was "what safety devices is NASCAR prohibiting". I pretty much completely disagree with this. NASCAR should certainly not prevent folks; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00642.html (11,186 bytes)
27. RE: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: "Michael McAvoy" <thedoc@premier1.net>; Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:50:07 -0800; Actually, there is a rule against an electronic automatic stuck-throttle kill system. No electronics may be used on the cars, as they could be "cheater" engine management systems, and NASCAR doesn't; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00643.html (10,636 bytes)
28. Re: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: Jim Ochi <jochi@ricochet.net>; Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:40:45 -0800; Not quite true. The only difference in construction may be a fireproof liner, but the helmets have to go through different tests to get the M or SA rating. From the FAQ on the Snell web site (<http:; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00671.html (10,548 bytes)
29. RE: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: sjohnson@kcnet.com; Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:28:20 -0600; We do have real stock car racing here in America - SCCA World Challenge. NASCAR is really "Spec Racer Oval". The next step for NASCAR is to mandate that all drivers a)weigh the same, and b)wear compe; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00684.html (9,447 bytes)
30. Re: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: SCCARcr@aol.com; Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 00:28:23 EST; Hello all, One quick thought on the Earnhardt death/accident...doesn't it seem that film footage from the in-car camera would be the ultimate way to see what happened? Dale always has an in-car camer; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00715.html (9,233 bytes)
31. RE: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: "Pylon.CC" <pylon@pylon.cc>; Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 00:03:38 -0600; I have been wondering the same thing. There has to be in car footage somewhere out there. Fox or NASCAR is probably just keeping a tight hold of it. Christopher J Hammond www.christoc.com christoc@ch; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00716.html (9,727 bytes)
32. Re: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: "Eric Linnhoff" <eric10mm@qni.com>; Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:25:03 -0600; It probably suffered the same fate as the Zapruder films, confiscated in the interests of public welfare. Eric Linnhoff in KC '98 Neon R/T (4 door) <eric10mm@qni.com> ICQ# 101282513 --Original Messag; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00718.html (9,361 bytes)
33. Re: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: "Charles R. Schultz" <n2pua4@peoplepc.com>; Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 05:18:58 -0600; I know I've seen it at least a half-dozen times, and _that_which_was_shown_ shows little more than the hood coming up to slap the windshield. The camera did not appear to have the driver in the field; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00721.html (10,005 bytes)
34. RE: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: "Patrick Washburn" <washburn@dwave.net>; Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:37:33 -0600; They showed in-car footage immediately after the incident. (Not knowing the outcome of course) I could not see any portion of Dale, it was a passenger side dashboard shot, and I didn't detect anythin; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00722.html (9,213 bytes)
35. RE: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: "Jan Schmidt" <jschmidt@kumc.edu>; Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:04:10 -0600; scott, as usual , you missed the point. I hate Nascar Winston cup. But if I were in charge of making some changes in the cup, those that I mentioned would be amongst them. W.C. will never do what I s; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00764.html (9,360 bytes)
36. Re: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: Mark Sirota <msirota@isc.upenn.edu>; Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:19:28 -0500; Open face helmets typically offer wider field of view, and they're lighter. So no, depending on the details of the incident, full face helmets are not necessarily safer. Not if your head comes back t; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00767.html (9,929 bytes)
37. Re: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: "Chris Teague" <cteague@home.com>; Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:51:11 -0800; The article I read said that most of the cars with in car cameras have 3, one for the driver, and 2 for the other cars. Dale requested that he not have the camera pointed at the driver, so his car on; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00769.html (9,179 bytes)
38. Re: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: "Phil Ethier" <pethier@isd.net>; Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:34:24 -0600; You can give mouth-to-mouth without removing an open-face helmet. Since a good hit in the head suggests an X-ray before removing the helmet, this could be a good thing in some cases. Phil Ethier Sai; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00772.html (8,949 bytes)
39. RE: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: "Eric Salem" <eric@mail.brown911.com>; Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:41:09 -0600; <<Everything is a tradeoff. Let the experts make the call.>> I guess Mr. Sirota just made my point. Why won't NASCAR let the experts make the call? If Eanhardt trinkets were 40% of NASCAR's $500m ann; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00773.html (10,146 bytes)
40. Re: NASCAR officials say Earnhardt's belt ripped (score: 1): Author: "Eric Linnhoff" <eric10mm@qni.com>; Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:23:11 -0600; == My one and only "armchair quarterback" comment on this entire thread: "Expert: Ex is a has-been and a spurt is a drip under pressure." That about sums it up. Eric Linnhoff in KC '98 Neon R/T (4 d; /html/autox/2001-02/msg00776.html (8,150 bytes)

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