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you'll never go wrong w/PPG.  ValSpar seems to be a new player, or =
"bigger" player recently in the car field.  They are buying up a lot of =
others.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Scott Woolman=20
  To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
  Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint


  I think I can Decipher the sequence. I do not have any Valspar dealers =
in the area I checked Friday. So I'm going with the PPG even though it's =
a little more expensive. My basecoat is acrylic urethane primer K 36. =
Does that sound right to you

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Dec 29, 2013, at 11:01 AM, "Steve Kirby" <skirby210@cox.net> wrote:


    well gosh, I think so, BUT . . . . I hope I haven't made any other =
bonehead mistakes like the one John caught.  The thing w/painting is, =
there are many products and many choices.  Starting with basic decisions =
like "single stage" or "clear coat".  Marinara or Alfredo?  Then, I =
realize I live in Calif. where things that others or you might have are =
not allowed here.  For instance, if you clear coat, then you elimiante =
the color sanding and buff/polish stage.  Spaghetti or Linguini?  I =
already stated my preference when doing a vintage car:  single stage, =
color sanded and buffed.  Others will vehemently disagree, and that's =
fine.

    I do distinctly your fantastic car at Delavan . . . beating out like =
what?  +/- 32 cars???  You, or someone!, obviously knows what the heck =
they are doing.  Your car is drop dead gorgeous, and a model to which =
the rest of us can aspire.

    #2SteveK
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: John Park=20
      To: 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'=20
      Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:44 AM
      Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint


      Hi Steve, Does this latest missive mean more adjustments to your =
original discourse on painting? Being an amateur it would be nice to =
have the complete and accurate version so I=E2=80=99m/we=E2=80=99re not =
open to mis-interpretation.  I really like when you =
=E2=80=9Cexperienced=E2=80=9D guys give a full detailed account of how =
to do things. I=E2=80=99m trying to keep some semblance of fix it =
history like Wray Lemke did for us back at GT35. Regards, John



      From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Kirby
      Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 11:23 PM
      To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
      Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint



      ooooops, John is absolutely right.  I should have looked at my =
"cans" of junk before writing such a treatise.  I now realize how I made =
that mistake.  I use to use PPG DP40 epoxy sealer, and an etching stuff =
prior to that (a yellow/greenie looking product).   Somewhere along =
there, the guy I work with said you really didn't need to use the =
etching stuff anymore, as as the DP40 would be fine without it.



      Then, to make matters worse "in my mind", I started using SEM and =
UPol "self etching primer" in spray cans, again on the advice of the =
same guy, when I would occassionaly sand through, or whatever, the epoxy =
sealer.  My "guy" said that would be fine, and totally compatible with =
the DP40 type products (I now use a similar type product,made by TCP =
(which I believe is made by ValSpar, rather than the $$$$ PPG DP40, or =
even the PPG Omni line).  Thus, somehow in the back recesses of the =
remnants of my withering brain, the two products somewhat merged and =
became "self-etching epoxy sealer".  John is 100% correct, ain't no such =
animal. =20



      What I will say, is that on the last 3 cars (well, 2 cars, one =
large truck) I have skipped the etching stage completely, and gone =
completely with the epoxy sealer, as the first step.  Have not had one =
problem . . . again, on the advice of a respected auto body supplier =
person.  Guess that is partially how I derived the "new (so new, it =
hasn't been invented yet!) product:  self-etching epoxy sealer!  Throw =
in the self-etching spray cans of primer, which was recommended to use =
on whatever bare metal areas might occur, and that completed my =
erroneous mental route.



      The next time I attempt such a discourse, I think I best mosey up =
to my shop, and check the cans of stuff I'm talking about. =20



      #2SteveK

        ----- Original Message -----=20

        From: John Elwood=20

        To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20

        Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:18 AM

        Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint



        I've never heard of " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic sealer ".  =
Always thought it was one or the other... Either an etch primer, or a =
epoxy, not both...  What product is " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic =
sealer "?  Google gives me nothing.
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<DIV>you'll never go wrong w/PPG.&nbsp; ValSpar seems to be a new =
player, or=20
"bigger" player recently in the car field.&nbsp; They are buying up a =
lot of=20
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  <A title=3Dscottewoolman@hotmail.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:scottewoolman@hotmail.com";>Scott Woolman</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>List for the Z Magnette Group =
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  America</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 29, 2013 =
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  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] =
Paint</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>I think I can Decipher the sequence. I do not have any Valspar =
dealers in=20
  the area I checked Friday. So I'm going with the PPG even though it's =
a little=20
  more expensive. My basecoat is acrylic urethane primer K 36. Does that =
sound=20
  right to you<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
  <DIV><BR>On Dec 29, 2013, at 11:01 AM, "Steve Kirby" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:skirby210@cox.net";>skirby210@cox.net</A>&gt; =
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    <DIV>well gosh, I think so, BUT . . . . I hope I haven't made any =
other=20
    bonehead mistakes like the one John caught.&nbsp; The thing =
w/painting is,=20
    there are many products and many choices.&nbsp; Starting with basic=20
    decisions like "single stage" or "clear coat".&nbsp; Marinara or=20
    Alfredo?&nbsp; Then, I realize I live in Calif. where things that =
others or=20
    you might have are not allowed here.&nbsp; For instance, if you =
clear coat,=20
    then you elimiante the color sanding and buff/polish stage.&nbsp; =
Spaghetti=20
    or Linguini?&nbsp; I already stated my preference when doing a =
vintage=20
    car:&nbsp; single stage, color sanded and buffed.&nbsp; Others will=20
    vehemently disagree, and that's fine.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>I do distinctly your fantastic car at Delavan . . . beating out =
like=20
    what?&nbsp; +/- 32 cars???&nbsp; You, or someone!, obviously knows =
what the=20
    heck they are doing.&nbsp; Your car is drop dead gorgeous, and a =
model to=20
    which the rest of us can aspire.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>#2SteveK</DIV>
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      <DIV=20
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Djpark@bmts.com href=3D"mailto:jpark@bmts.com";>John =
Park</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dzmagnette@autox.team.net=20
      href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>'List for the Z Magnette =
Group -=20
      North America'</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 29, =
2013 10:44=20
      AM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] =
Paint</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
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      <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
      style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi=20
      Steve, Does this latest missive mean more adjustments to your =
original=20
      discourse on painting? Being an amateur it would be nice to have =
the=20
      complete and accurate version so I=E2=80=99m/we=E2=80=99re not =
open to=20
      mis-interpretation.&nbsp; I really like when you =
=E2=80=9Cexperienced=E2=80=9D guys give a=20
      full detailed account of how to do things. I=E2=80=99m trying to =
keep some=20
      semblance of fix it history like Wray Lemke did for us back at =
GT35.=20
      Regards, John<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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      style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> <A =

      =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net";>zmagnette-bounces@autox.=
team.net</A>=20
      [<A=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:zmagnette-bounces=
@autox.team.net</A>]=20
      <B>On Behalf Of </B>Steve Kirby<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December =
28,=20
      2013 11:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B> List for the Z Magnette Group - North=20
      America<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette]=20
      Paint<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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      <P class=3DMsoNormal>ooooops, John is&nbsp;absolutely right.&nbsp; =
I should=20
      have looked at my "cans" of junk before writing such a =
treatise.&nbsp; I=20
      now realize how I made that mistake.&nbsp; I use to use PPG DP40 =
epoxy=20
      sealer, and an etching stuff prior to that (a yellow/greenie=20
      looking&nbsp;product). &nbsp; Somewhere along there, the guy I =
work with=20
      said you really didn't need to use the etching stuff anymore, as =
as the=20
      DP40 would be fine without it.<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
      <DIV>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
      <DIV>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal>Then, to make matters worse "in my mind", I =
started=20
      using SEM and UPol "self etching primer" in spray cans, again on =
the=20
      advice of the same guy, when I would occassionaly sand through, or =

      whatever, the epoxy sealer.&nbsp; My "guy" said that would be =
fine, and=20
      totally&nbsp;compatible with the DP40 type products (I now use a =
similar=20
      type product,made by TCP (which I believe is made by ValSpar, =
rather than=20
      the $$$$ PPG DP40, or even the PPG Omni line).&nbsp; Thus, somehow =
in the=20
      back recesses of the remnants of my withering brain, the two =
products=20
      somewhat merged and became "self-etching epoxy sealer".&nbsp; John =
is 100%=20
      correct, ain't no such animal.&nbsp; <O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
      <DIV>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
      <DIV>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal>What I will say, is that on the last 3 cars =
(well, 2=20
      cars, one large truck) I have skipped the etching stage =
completely, and=20
      gone completely with the epoxy sealer, as the first step.&nbsp; =
Have not=20
      had one problem . . . again, on the advice of a respected auto =
body=20
      supplier person.&nbsp; Guess that is partially how I derived the =
"new (so=20
      new, it hasn't been invented yet!) product:&nbsp; self-etching =
epoxy=20
      sealer!&nbsp; Throw in the self-etching spray cans of primer, =
which was=20
      recommended to use on whatever bare metal areas might occur, and =
that=20
      completed my erroneous mental route.<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
      <DIV>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
      <DIV>
      <P class=3DMsoNormal>The next time I attempt such a discourse, I =
think I=20
      best mosey up to my shop, and check the cans of stuff I'm talking=20
      about.&nbsp; <O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
      <DIV>
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        style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A =

        title=3Dmgmagnette@aol.com =
href=3D"mailto:mgmagnette@aol.com";>John=20
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        <P class=3DMsoNormal>I've never heard of " self-etching, epoxy - =
catalytic=20
        sealer ".&nbsp; Always thought it was one or the other... Either =
an etch=20
        primer, or a epoxy, not both...&nbsp; What product is " =
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