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I agree too much about things other than cars
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 31, 2013, at 7:07 PM, Richard Greenberg <greenberg@lpl.arizona.edu>=
wrote:
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> I propose that we keep our topics about Magnettes, and stop sending messag=
es to the Magnette list that only have to do with how the email list works. =
If there are technical problems with the list server, send a message to the=
person in charge of the tech management of the list, not to the whole list.=
If you want to experiment with sending pictures or speed tests, do it with=
people off the list.
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> I love all the stuff I learn from you folks about Magnettes. But nothing i=
s more boring than a bazillion messages about how to use email and the inter=
net and image processing.
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> --Rick
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>> On Oct 31, 2013, at 4:47 PM, Gene deRuelle wrote:
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>> Amen !!!!
>> =20
>> Gene deRuelle
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Arch Boston
>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 4:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] List response time
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>> At the risk of seeing old, which I am, in the grand scheme of things, wha=
t difference does 15-20-30 minutes mean. I remember air mail taking a coupl=
e of days --- and that was FAST! Enough about slow transmission. If speed w=
as important none of us would be playing with "old slow "cars. Arch
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Oct 31, 2013, at 6:29 PM, "John Park" <jpark@bmts.com> wrote:
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>>> Enough with the list times etc. Reply to the sender only PLEASE!
>>> From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.t=
eam.net] On Behalf Of Allen Bachelder
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:08 PM
>>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] List response time
>>> Fletcher,
>>> Interesting that you got my 8:22 PM note at 8:26. I didn't get it until=
8:04 this morning! But before I went to bed last night, I received Charlie=
's 9:42 PM note (at 10:03 PM), his 10:04 PM note (at 10:06 PM), Perkin's 12:=
42 PM note (at 10:08 PM - over nine hours later), and Kurt's 11:28 PM note a=
t 12:08 AM. =20
>>> And your 8:52 PM reply to my note? ' Showed up here at 10:08 this morn=
ing.
>>> Go figure!
>>> Allen
>>> ****************************************************************
>>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
>>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>>> ****************************************************************
>>> On Oct 30, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Fletcher Millmore wrote:
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>>> And just think - those are the people saying Lucas is bad!
>>> This 8:22 got here about 8:26, much better than your messages the other n=
ight which were 30-45 minutes.
>>> It is my understanding that the routing on the internet can be tortuous,=
with stuff getting delayed at any point along the way, so it could be eithe=
r - or neither - end. Sequential messages do not necessarily travel the same=
route. I expect a fly by night local ISP could be a factor in this, as it m=
ust interface with a "real" internet doofus.
>>> I do get email from certain sources that always arrives much later than (=
claimed) sent time - Rock Auto is one.=20
>>>=20
>>> Can you get send/receive info from the Digest version?
>>>=20
>>> FRM
>>>=20
>>> On 10/30/2013 8:22 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>> I'm seeing erratic response times: some later responses coming in hours b=
efore some earlier ones. ' Could tolerate the delay much more easily if it w=
ere consistent. I'm talking delays of much more than 30-45 minutes. I'll w=
rite a reply about this time in the evening and it might not show up for 20-=
24 hours. In the meantime, other replies are coming in hours earlier, to qu=
estions posed later. Tonight I received two or three replies before I recei=
ved the questions involved. Somebody sent in a picture. I have a reply fr=
om somebody else who reports seeing it, but I haven't received the picture p=
ost yet...
>>> ' Don't think we're there yet...
>>> Allen
>>> ****************************************************************
>>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
>>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>>> ****************************************************************
>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
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>>> Steven Trovato wrote:
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>>> OK, so I responded to two different messages on this list. I sent them t=
hree minutes apart. I received one from the list about 10-15 minutes later.=
The other didn't show up for 30-45 minutes. Can anyone explain to me why t=
his is? What is causing such a long delay? I'm sending this one at 7:10pm E=
astern Time. Now we'll see if everyone gets this at 7:11pm just to make a l=
iar out of me. :-)
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etting sent out from
>>> the server. At the moment the bottleneck seems to be mostly software r=
elated. The program
>>> that translates between IP addresses and names is not responding as quic=
kly as it should. And
>>> with all the lists and all the addresses hostname lookups are a major fa=
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he tooth. Donate
>>> early, donate often ;-)
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ould not have
>>> this issue, but a lot of folks prefer email.
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>>> mjb.
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>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/zmagnette/bach=
ldrs@comcast.net
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>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/zmagnette/arch=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
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an cars</div><div><br></div><div>Phil<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><=
br>On Oct 31, 2013, at 7:07 PM, Richard Greenberg <<a href=3D"mailto:gree=
nberg@lpl.arizona.edu">greenberg@lpl.arizona.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br></div=
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ettes, and stop sending messages to the Magnette list that only have to do w=
ith how the email list works. If there are technical problems with the=
list server, send a message to the person in charge of the tech management o=
f the list, not to the whole list. If you want to experiment with send=
ing pictures or speed tests, do it with people off the list.<div><br></div><=
div>I love all the stuff I learn from you folks about Magnettes. But n=
othing is more boring than a bazillion messages about how to use email and t=
he internet and image processing.</div><div><br></div><div>--Rick</div><div>=
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