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David, Steve, and others,
First of all, David, you are just as entitled to use the word "we" as =
any member of our group. Your participation and support is highly =
valued, and I hope you will always feel free to participate just as you =
have. In fact, you bring up an important topic with your consideration =
of the terms "inclusive" vs "exclusive". I always view myself as an =
"inclusive" kind of guy, yet the stand I've taken on this concern seems =
rather exclusive. Not intended! =20
And Steve, you're right; we've never turned away a prospective member, =
and the process we've had before (and which I'd like to continue) does =
little to seriously vet new members. But it does serve another purpose =
which is exclusive to ZMG. There I go using that "exclusive" word again, =
but while I'm on several chat lists and forums (fora?), ours is unique =
in that it is also a club. Certainly a V-E-R-Y loose club, but =
nevertheless a club. I've never heard of a chat list doing something =
like what we did GT35. In this sense, I don't think it's correct to =
compare us with other lists. When people join our list, I want to know =
about it so we can join in welcoming them. When I post to the list, I =
like to have at least a vague idea that I'm addressing a fellowship, if =
you will. I'm fond of comparing ZMG to Brigadoon - existing only =
virtually for 51 weeks out of the year, but becoming tangible and alive =
at annual NAMGAR GTs. =20
No constitution, no by-laws, no officers, no treasury, no board of =
directors, no nothin' And no urge to change that - just a love of our =
unstructured fellowship. In fact, if we are but a list, we need no =
chairman either and I join the ranks of the unemployed. And I'm not =
just protecting my job - the pay isn't much, but the intangible benefits =
are incredible! But when we become a chat list of anonymous lurkers =
and contributors, we cease to be a club. I would regret that.
FWIW,
Allen=20
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:47 AM, David Halliday wrote:
> There's lots of good arguments for and against and of course we want =
to be inclusive rather than exclusive. Here's me saying we - I'm the =
Aussie/Pommie interloper - but I guess you know what I mean?! The big =
risk,is what alive seen on other lists and that's spammers messing =
things up! If we can stop the spammers and such like, it probably isn't =
an issue.=20
>=20
> Kind regards,=20
> David=20
>=20
> Sent from my iPad
>=20
>> On 22 Oct 2013, at 04:24, Steven Trovato <strovato@optonline.net> =
wrote:
>>=20
>> Sorry Allen, but I think you're getting paranoid. Most lists allow =
anyone to join. I don't really think we're going to get a whole lot of =
people joining who don't have at least some interest in Magnettes. What =
are we afraid of? There are people who are, for a lack of a better =
word, shy. They join quietly. The don't contribute. They just lurk. =
But over time, they might start to feel comfortable and one day you get =
"this is my first post... I'm thinking about getting a Magnette." =
Allen, have you ever denied anyone access to the list? I can see how if =
someone turns out to be a problem, they can be removed from the list. =
But I can't really think of a situation in which someone new comes along =
and we say turn them away.
>>=20
>> -Steve T.
>>=20
>> At 11:14 PM 10/21/2013, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>> Chris,
>>>=20
>>> I don't think people should be allowed on our list without some sort =
of administrative control. Granted, I don't know of anybody being denied =
membership, but I think we need some evidence of a person's sincerity: =
either a recommendation from a current member or some reasonably =
convincing email exchange with an administrator or other current member. =
If newbies can simply sign themselves in, we know longer know who we are =
addressing and the group ceases to feel like a club. I really feel a =
need for some control here...
>>>=20
>>> Does this make sense or am I just getting a bit paranoid in my old =
age?
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">David, Steve, and others,<div><br></div><div>First of all, David, you =
are just as entitled to use the word "we" as any member of our group. =
Your participation and support is highly valued, and I hope you =
will always feel free to participate just as you have. In fact, =
you bring up an important topic with your consideration of the terms =
"inclusive" vs "exclusive". I always view myself as an "inclusive" =
kind of guy, yet the stand I've taken on this concern seems rather =
exclusive. Not intended! </div><div><br></div><div>And =
Steve, you're right; we've never turned away a prospective member, and =
the process we've had before (and which I'd like to continue) does =
little to seriously vet new members. But it does serve another purpose =
which is exclusive to ZMG. There I go using that "exclusive" word again, =
but while I'm on several chat lists and forums (fora?), ours is unique =
in that it is also a club. Certainly a V-E-R-Y loose club, but =
nevertheless a club. I've never heard of a chat list doing =
something like what we did GT35. In this sense, I don't think it's =
correct to compare us with other lists. When people join our list, =
I want to know about it so we can join in welcoming them. When I =
post to the list, I like to have at least a vague idea that I'm =
addressing a fellowship, if you will. I'm fond of comparing ZMG to =
Brigadoon - existing only virtually for 51 weeks out of the year, but =
becoming tangible and alive at annual NAMGAR GTs. =
</div><div><br></div><div>No constitution, no by-laws, no =
officers, no treasury, no board of directors, no nothin' And no =
urge to change that - just a love of our unstructured fellowship. =
In fact, if we are but a list, we need no chairman either and I =
join the ranks of the unemployed. And I'm not just protecting my =
job - the pay isn't much, but the intangible benefits are incredible! =
But when we become a chat list of anonymous lurkers and =
contributors, we cease to be a club. I would regret =
that.</div><div><br></div><div>FWIW,</div><div>Allen </div><div><div>=
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<br><div><div>On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:47 AM, David Halliday =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>There's lots of good arguments for and against and of =
course we want to be inclusive rather than exclusive. Here's me saying =
we - I'm the Aussie/Pommie interloper - but I guess you know what I =
mean?! The big risk,is what alive seen on other lists and that's =
spammers messing things up! If we can stop the spammers and such like, =
it probably isn't an issue. <br><br>Kind regards, <br>David <br><br>Sent =
from my iPad<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On 22 Oct 2013, at 04:24, =
Steven Trovato <<a =
href=3D"mailto:strovato@optonline.net";>strovato@optonline.net</a>> =
wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Sorry Allen, =
but I think you're getting paranoid. Most lists allow anyone to =
join. I don't really think we're going to get a whole lot of =
people joining who don't have at least some interest in Magnettes. =
What are we afraid of? There are people who are, for a lack =
of a better word, shy. They join quietly. The don't =
contribute. They just lurk. But over time, they might start =
to feel comfortable and one day you get "this is my first post... =
I'm thinking about getting a Magnette." Allen, have you ever =
denied anyone access to the list? I can see how if someone turns =
out to be a problem, they can be removed from the list. But I =
can't really think of a situation in which someone new comes along and =
we say turn them away.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">-Steve =
T.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">At 11:14 PM 10/21/2013, Allen Bachelder =
wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Chris,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">I don't think people should be =
allowed on our list without some sort of administrative control. =
Granted, I don't know of anybody being denied membership, but I think we =
need some evidence of a person's sincerity: either a =
recommendation from a current member or some reasonably convincing email =
exchange with an administrator or other current member. If newbies can =
simply sign themselves in, we know longer know who we are addressing and =
the group ceases to feel like a club. I really feel a need for =
some control here...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Does this make sense or am I =
just getting a bit paranoid in my old =
age?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
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