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Re: [TR] Engine colours

To: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Engine colours
From: bill beecher <notakitcar@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 12:29:05 -0500
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Yep, that=E2=80=99s what mine looked like. &=
nbsp;I wonder what the white lettering on the unit behind it is about?<div><=
br></div><div>Bill B</div><div>TS30800L</div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=
=80=9CShoot low sheriff, she=E2=80=99s riding a shetland=E2=80=9D =E2=80=A6B=
.Wills</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 18, 2023, at 12:12 PM, Don Hiscock &=
lt;don.hiscock@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Orang=
e-red handpainted&nbsp;marshalling marks on a TR3 engine on the Coventry pro=
duction&nbsp;line in 1958.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-s=
ize:small"><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744=
/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i=
-b5KrzK2.jpg</a><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"l=
tr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 10:21=E2=80=AFPM DAVE HOGYE=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net";>dlhogye@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I believe all T=
R blocks came from the same foundry, with the cast-in embossed Bilchrome. I a=
lso believe that all engines had "TR" plus a number brush painted on the sid=
e, to easily pull the correct engine after it's assembly and install it in t=
he correct car.&nbsp; Morgan engines were also being assembled on the same a=
ssembly line, as far as I know.&nbsp; Maybe they had an "M" painted on the s=
ide, but I don't have direct knowledge of this.&nbsp; All TR3-4 engines that=
 I have seen with the original black engine paint, have the TR plus a number=
, brush painted on the manifold side.&nbsp; Kind of neat stuff to find all t=
hese years later. I guess that for a correct concourse restoration, the bloc=
k paint marks should be replicated.<br>
Dave H.&nbsp; <br>
&gt; On 06/16/2023 6:13 PM PDT dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave@rant=
eer.com" target=3D"_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; Here are some closeups showing first the TR painted letters, then the e=
ngine "part number."&nbsp; These both must be reconditioned/warranty?&nbsp; W=
ould not a normal factory engine say Stanpart?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; On Behalf Of John M=
acartney<br>
&gt; Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 5:46 PM<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">triump=
hs@autox.team.net</a><br>
&gt; Subject: [TR] Engine colours<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; It must be more than twenty years back when this topic on reconditioned=
 engines was aired and I remember contributing to it.<br>
&gt; One of the major issues in unit reconditioning is getting the old units=
 (aka in the U.K. as corps or cores) and it would be tedious and cost prohib=
itive in the extreme to ship worn engines, gearboxes and other electrical it=
ems across the Atlantic or more oceans if you include Australia and the Far E=
ast. All unit recon work on engines and gearboxes for the U.K. and Europe wa=
s undertaken by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary called Beans Industries. In my=
 day, a Beans rebuilt engine was painted an unattractive shade of blue and t=
he engine number was ground off and replaced by a totally different number s=
tamped in place.<br>
&gt; George Durand who was the company=E2=80=99s Parts Director was very pro=
ud of the unit recon and service exchange programmes he had established in a=
 number of major markets and there was definitely one for the US and another=
 for Canada. Basically, Standard-Triumph North America in Leonia, NJ togethe=
r with their opposite numbers in Toronto, contracted two local companies to d=
o their recon work as genuine factory replacements using parts supplied by S=
TNA and STC parts divisions. It can=E2=80=99t be ruled out that some blue Be=
ans recon units arrived stateside as part of regular parts shipments from th=
e factory but it makes economic sense for the import company to set up this s=
ort of arrangement on a local basis but what colours that might have been us=
ed is anyone=E2=80=99s guess.<br>
&gt; It=E2=80=99s all rather like the Triumph branded radios sold as genuine=
 factory approved units. The Acclaim was the first car to have a radio as st=
andard fit but cars that went for export were usually radio-less and had a l=
ocally supplied unit fitted before delivery.<br>
&gt; Lucas had a different arrangement and usually supplied a new unit in a s=
ervice exchange packaging identity at a slightly lower retail price.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Jonmac<br>
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