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Orange-red handpainted marshalling marks on a TR3 engine on the Coventry
production line in 1958.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg
On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 10:21=E2=80=AFPM DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net> w=
rote:
> I believe all TR blocks came from the same foundry, with the cast-in
> embossed Bilchrome. I also believe that all engines had "TR" plus a numbe=
r
> brush painted on the side, to easily pull the correct engine after it's
> assembly and install it in the correct car. Morgan engines were also bei=
ng
> assembled on the same assembly line, as far as I know. Maybe they had an
> "M" painted on the side, but I don't have direct knowledge of this. All
> TR3-4 engines that I have seen with the original black engine paint, have
> the TR plus a number, brush painted on the manifold side. Kind of neat
> stuff to find all these years later. I guess that for a correct concourse
> restoration, the block paint marks should be replicated.
> Dave H.
> > On 06/16/2023 6:13 PM PDT dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Here are some closeups showing first the TR painted letters, then the
> engine "part number." These both must be reconditioned/warranty? Would
> not a normal factory engine say Stanpart?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John
> Macartney
> > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 5:46 PM
> > To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> > Subject: [TR] Engine colours
> >
> > It must be more than twenty years back when this topic on reconditioned
> engines was aired and I remember contributing to it.
> > One of the major issues in unit reconditioning is getting the old units
> (aka in the U.K. as corps or cores) and it would be tedious and cost
> prohibitive in the extreme to ship worn engines, gearboxes and other
> electrical items across the Atlantic or more oceans if you include
> Australia and the Far East. All unit recon work on engines and gearboxes
> for the U.K. and Europe was undertaken by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary
> called Beans Industries. In my day, a Beans rebuilt engine was painted an
> unattractive shade of blue and the engine number was ground off and
> replaced by a totally different number stamped in place.
> > George Durand who was the company=E2=80=99s Parts Director was very pro=
ud of the
> unit recon and service exchange programmes he had established in a number
> of major markets and there was definitely one for the US and another for
> Canada. Basically, Standard-Triumph North America in Leonia, NJ together
> with their opposite numbers in Toronto, contracted two local companies to
> do their recon work as genuine factory replacements using parts supplied =
by
> STNA and STC parts divisions. It can=E2=80=99t be ruled out that some blu=
e Beans
> recon units arrived stateside as part of regular parts shipments from the
> factory but it makes economic sense for the import company to set up this
> sort of arrangement on a local basis but what colours that might have bee=
n
> used is anyone=E2=80=99s guess.
> > It=E2=80=99s all rather like the Triumph branded radios sold as genuine=
factory
> approved units. The Acclaim was the first car to have a radio as standard
> fit but cars that went for export were usually radio-less and had a local=
ly
> supplied unit fitted before delivery.
> > Lucas had a different arrangement and usually supplied a new unit in a
> service exchange packaging identity at a slightly lower retail price.
> >
> > Jonmac
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Ora=
nge-red handpainted=C2=A0marshalling marks on a TR3 engine on the Coventry =
production=C2=A0line in 1958.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-size:small"><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86a=
c2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac27=
44/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg</a><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 10:21=E2=80=AFPM DA=
VE HOGYE <<a href=3D"mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net";>dlhogye@comcast.net</a>=
> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I be=
lieve all TR blocks came from the same foundry, with the cast-in embossed B=
ilchrome. I also believe that all engines had "TR" plus a number =
brush painted on the side, to easily pull the correct engine after it's=
assembly and install it in the correct car.=C2=A0 Morgan engines were also=
being assembled on the same assembly line, as far as I know.=C2=A0 Maybe t=
hey had an "M" painted on the side, but I don't have direct k=
nowledge of this.=C2=A0 All TR3-4 engines that I have seen with the origina=
l black engine paint, have the TR plus a number, brush painted on the manif=
old side.=C2=A0 Kind of neat stuff to find all these years later. I guess t=
hat for a correct concourse restoration, the block paint marks should be re=
plicated.<br>
Dave H.=C2=A0 <br>
> On 06/16/2023 6:13 PM PDT dave northrup <<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ran=
teer.com" target=3D"_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>=C2=A0 <br>
> Here are some closeups showing first the TR painted letters, then the =
engine "part number."=C2=A0 These both must be reconditioned/warr=
anty?=C2=A0 Would not a normal factory engine say Stanpart?<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of John=
Macartney<br>
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 5:46 PM<br>
> To: <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">trium=
phs@autox.team.net</a><br>
> Subject: [TR] Engine colours<br>
> <br>
> It must be more than twenty years back when this topic on reconditione=
d engines was aired and I remember contributing to it.<br>
> One of the major issues in unit reconditioning is getting the old unit=
s (aka in the U.K. as corps or cores) and it would be tedious and cost proh=
ibitive in the extreme to ship worn engines, gearboxes and other electrical=
items across the Atlantic or more oceans if you include Australia and the =
Far East. All unit recon work on engines and gearboxes for the U.K. and Eur=
ope was undertaken by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary called Beans Industries=
. In my day, a Beans rebuilt engine was painted an unattractive shade of bl=
ue and the engine number was ground off and replaced by a totally different=
number stamped in place.<br>
> George Durand who was the company=E2=80=99s Parts Director was very pr=
oud of the unit recon and service exchange programmes he had established in=
a number of major markets and there was definitely one for the US and anot=
her for Canada. Basically, Standard-Triumph North America in Leonia, NJ tog=
ether with their opposite numbers in Toronto, contracted two local companie=
s to do their recon work as genuine factory replacements using parts suppli=
ed by STNA and STC parts divisions. It can=E2=80=99t be ruled out that some=
blue Beans recon units arrived stateside as part of regular parts shipment=
s from the factory but it makes economic sense for the import company to se=
t up this sort of arrangement on a local basis but what colours that might =
have been used is anyone=E2=80=99s guess.<br>
> It=E2=80=99s all rather like the Triumph branded radios sold as genuin=
e factory approved units. The Acclaim was the first car to have a radio as =
standard fit but cars that went for export were usually radio-less and had =
a locally supplied unit fitted before delivery.<br>
> Lucas had a different arrangement and usually supplied a new unit in a=
service exchange packaging identity at a slightly lower retail price.<br>
> <br>
> Jonmac<br>
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