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If locating the leak is difficult, you might try white baking flour or oil
dye. The dye fluoresces under UV light.
hth
jim
On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 3:58 PM DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net> wrote:
> I too have had difficulty making a leak free engine on my street/race
> TR3. I also had an oil drop on almost every pan bolt head. I resealed t=
he
> pan a couple times finding that the sealant had almost no adhesion to the
> aluminum filler block in front. So I thought that where the leak was
> coming from. I think I tried both the gray and black Permatex. After
> pulling the engine for a refresh, I found that the oil leak was most like=
ly
> coming from between the engine mount plate and the block. I had used the
> red spray-on High Tack sealant on that gasket. The gasket peeled cleanly
> off the block and plate and was saturated with oil. Oil never dripped fr=
om
> the pan or engine. It was pushed back while in motion and always dripped
> off the trans bell housing. I developed an easy to change, disposable sh=
op
> towel hanger out of safety wire between the two lowest bell housing
> flywheel cover bolts and never had a drop of oil on the garage floor. I
> changed the towel before a race weekend.
> One think I was happy to find, was that the rear main seal was definitely
> not leaking.
> If I find a photo of the oil diaper arrangement, I'll share it.
> Dave H.
>
> On 07/29/2022 7:50 AM Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>
> Bill,
>
>
> Following.
>
>
> I replaced the pan gasket on my TR4A about a year ago. I carefully levele=
d
> the mating surface using a dolly then a file, new gasket with Permatex #2=
,
> and actually used a in-lb torque wrench. Before it leaked moderately from
> the pan-to-block join. Now it leaks slooowly, accumulating a drop at almo=
st
> every bolt head, even the bolts that don=E2=80=99t pass into the interior=
of the
> engine. It=E2=80=99s frustrating because I=E2=80=99ve managed to solve ev=
ery other leak.
>
>
> Cliff
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for
> Windows
>
>
> *From: *William Brewer <billbrewer59@yahoo.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:19 PM
> *To: *Triumph List <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *[TR] TR3 Oil Pan Leakage
>
>
> I have been trying to get the oil pan to quit being so leaky for
> over 30 years and two engine rebuilds now. I made sure that the bolt
> holes in the pan are lower than the mounting surface. I check the pan
> fit with a feeler gauge with no gasket. I get everything cleaned off. I
> have tried Permatex, Aviation Permatex and Hylomar Blue. I have used the
> recommended torques. Still slowly seeping and dripping over time. It
> seems worse in the front that the rear and no the front aluminum sealing
> block isn't stripped out.
>
> I have family members asking me not to bring the TR3 and Morgan
> over to their houses because of the amount of drips.
>
> I have looking over the "Triumph Experience" website and it looks
> like most owners there have thrown their hands up and given up. Either
> that or the ones that say that they are drip free probably haven't
> driven their cars much.
>
> I've considered CNC'ing a 3/8" steel mounting flange, welding that
> to the top of the oil sump (the weld would seal on the inside) and then
> torquing that sonofabitch down tight with permatex on it. No more
> worrying about flange distortion.
>
> I've also considered making a sheet metal "catch box" that would
> mount under the pan and completely enclose it to catch drips. It could
> be held on with 4 bolts and removed/cleaned out at oil changes. I should
> make a long aluminum drip pan that goes under the sump, rear seal and
> transmission.
>
> Anyone ever get there TR2/3/4 oil pans to stay drip free?
>
> -Bill Brewer
>
> Morro Bay, CA
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">If locating the leak is difficult, you might try white bak=
ing flour or oil dye.=C2=A0 The dye fluoresces under UV light.=C2=A0=C2=A0<=
div><br></div><div>hth</div><div><br></div><div>jim</div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 29, 20=
22 at 3:58 PM DAVE HOGYE <<a href=3D"mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net";>dlhogye=
@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color=
:rgb(51,51,51)">
<span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt">I too have had diff=
iculty making a leak free engine on my street/race TR3.=C2=A0 I also had an=
oil drop on almost every pan bolt head.=C2=A0 I resealed the pan a couple =
times finding that the sealant had almost no adhesion to the aluminum fille=
r block in front.=C2=A0 So I thought that where the leak was coming from.=
=C2=A0 I think I tried both the gray and black Permatex.=C2=A0 After pullin=
g the engine for a refresh, I found that the oil leak was most likely comin=
g from between the engine mount plate and the block.=C2=A0 I had used the r=
ed spray-on High Tack sealant on that gasket.=C2=A0 The gasket peeled clean=
ly off the block and plate and was saturated with oil.=C2=A0 Oil never drip=
ped from the pan or engine.=C2=A0 It was pushed back while in motion and al=
ways dripped off the trans bell housing.=C2=A0 I developed an easy to chang=
e, disposable shop towel hanger out of safety wire between the two lowest b=
ell housing flywheel cover bolts and never had a drop of oil on the garage =
floor.=C2=A0 I changed the towel before a race weekend.=C2=A0=C2=A0</span>
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color=
:rgb(51,51,51)">
<span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt">One think I was hap=
py to find, was that the rear main seal was definitely not leaking.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0</span>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color=
:rgb(51,51,51)">
<span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt">If I find a photo o=
f the oil diaper arrangement, I'll share it.</span>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color=
:rgb(51,51,51)">
<span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt">Dave H.=C2=A0</span=
>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
On 07/29/2022 7:50 AM Cliff Hansen <<a href=3D"mailto:cliff_hansen@o=
utlook.com" target=3D"_blank">cliff_hansen@outlook.com</a>> wrote:
</div>
<div>
<br>
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<div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Following.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I replaced the pan gasket on my TR4A about a yea=
r ago. I carefully leveled the mating surface using a dolly then a file, ne=
w gasket with Permatex #2, and actually used a in-lb torque wrench. Before =
it leaked moderately from the pan-to-block join. Now it leaks slooowly, acc=
umulating a drop at almost every bolt head, even the bolts that don=E2=80=
=99t pass into the interior of the engine. It=E2=80=99s frustrating because=
I=E2=80=99ve managed to solve every other leak.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fw=
link/?LinkId=3D550986" target=3D"_blank"> Mail</a> for Windows</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;bor=
der-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p style=3D"border:none;padding:0in" class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong>From:=
</strong><a href=3D"mailto:billbrewer59@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank">Willi=
am Brewer</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:19 PM<br>=
<strong>To: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_=
blank">Triumph List</a><br><strong>Subject: </strong>[TR] TR3 Oil Pan Leaka=
ge</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I have been trying to g=
et the oil pan to quit being so leaky for <br>over 30 years and two engine =
rebuilds now. I made sure that the bolt <br>holes in the pan are lower than=
the mounting surface. I check the pan <br>fit with a feeler gauge with no =
gasket. I get everything cleaned off. I <br>have tried Permatex, Aviation P=
ermatex and Hylomar Blue. I have used the <br>recommended torques. Still sl=
owly seeping and dripping over time. It <br>seems worse in the front that t=
he rear and no the front aluminum sealing <br>block isn't stripped out.=
<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I have family members asking me not =
to bring the TR3 and Morgan <br>over to their houses because of the amount =
of drips.<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I have looking over the &qu=
ot;Triumph Experience" website and it looks <br>like most owners there=
have thrown their hands up and given up. Either <br>that or the ones that =
say that they are drip free probably haven't <br>driven their cars much=
.<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I've considered CNC'ing a 3=
/8" steel mounting flange, welding that <br>to the top of the oil sump=
(the weld would seal on the inside) and then <br>torquing that sonofabitch=
down tight with permatex on it. No more <br>worrying about flange distorti=
on.<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I've also considered making a=
sheet metal "catch box" that would <br>mount under the pan and c=
ompletely enclose it to catch drips. It could <br>be held on with 4 bolts a=
nd removed/cleaned out at oil changes. I should <br>make a long aluminum dr=
ip pan that goes under the sump, rear seal and <br>transmission.<br><br>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Anyone ever get there TR2/3/4 oil pans to stay =
drip free?<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -Bill Brewer<br><br>=C2=A0=
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