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To: Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com>
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From: dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>
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Thank you


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From: Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com>
Date: 7/15/22 4:11 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 104

Dave, way back when Randall (RIP) recommended an EL13 Flasher to me, 3 pron=
g, wasn't a Triumph, but search of the archives show he recommended for Tri=
umph as well, Tridon or other brands.  Should be available at FLAPS.

Greg Lemon
TR250

anteer.com>> wrote:
The problem was no blinkers at all, no noise, no trafficator light.

I looked at the wiring diagram (duh!) and that really helped.  Plus I was t=
rying to trouble shoot the blinker module, but made no progress there in te=
sting various connections w/battery.

I cannot see the wire colors behind the plug where the module plugs in =96 =
its up against the side and there is sufficient crap around it to hide them=
.

After consulting the wiring diagram (again duh!) I realized how I could tes=
t it =96 by bridging the wires.  After using a test light to ascertain the =
power source, I found out that the =93blinkers=94 work just fine, although =
obviously they don=92t blink.   Now its off to a flaps to see if I can find=
 a three prong blinker module, preferably analog, although I=92ll go digita=
l if I have to.

Thank you for your response.

ox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Benjamin Zwissler
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 104

Sorry if this has been answered, but I'm on the digest.  The green wire (X)=
 should show battery voltage t if the key is on.  The Green/Brown wire (L) =
should  also show battery voltage if you don't have the turn signal on and =
then open and close when you activate the turn signal switch in either dire=
ction.  The Light Green/Purple wire (P) goes to the dash lamp and should do=
 the same as the Green/Brown wire.

If you have the flasher out there should be continuity between X and L and =
X and P.  It won't go open until the current flow is high enough to heat th=
e bimetallic strip and open the circuit.  An ohmmeter won't flow enough cur=
rent to open it.

If you have a newer electronic flasher it depends on what kind you have.  G=
enerally they'll start flashing as soon as there's any path to ground.

You don't want a "really" new flasher that fast flashes when there's a bulb=
 out.

What's your problem?   No light?  Light all the time?



Ben Zwissler
812-343-5533
Columbus, IN


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Subject: [TR] blinker module 63 TR4
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The blinker module on this car is likely not original.

It has 3 tabs, labeled L, P, X

I think its bad; seemed hot when I pulled it out after testing the blinkers=
.

How do I test it?
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<div>Date: 7/15/22 4:11 PM (GMT-06:00) </div>
<div>To: dave northrup &lt;dave@ranteer.com&gt; </div>
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<div>Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 104 </div>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Dave, way back when Randall (RIP) recommended an EL13 Fla=
sher to me, 3 prong, wasn't a Triumph, but search of the archives show he r=
ecommended for Triumph as well, Tridon or other brands.&nbsp; Should be ava=
ilable at FLAPS.
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">TR250</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 15, 2022, 3:36 PM dave no=
rthrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1=
px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The problem was no blinkers at all, no noise, no tra=
fficator light.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I looked at the wiring diagram (duh!) and that reall=
y helped.&nbsp; Plus I was trying to trouble shoot the blinker module, but =
made no progress there in testing various connections w/battery.&nbsp;
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I cannot see the wire colors behind the plug where t=
he module plugs in =96 its up against the side and there is sufficient crap=
 around it to hide them.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">After consulting the wiring diagram (again duh!) I r=
ealized how I could test it =96 by bridging the wires.&nbsp; After using a =
test light to ascertain the power source, I found out that the =93blinkers=
=94 work just fine, although obviously they don=92t
 blink.&nbsp;&nbsp; Now its off to a flaps to see if I can find a three pro=
ng blinker module, preferably analog, although I=92ll go digital if I have =
to.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you for your response.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border:none; border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0i=
n 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs=
-bounces@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">tr=
iumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Benjamin Zwissler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 15, 2022 2:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"n=
oreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 104<u></u><u></u></=
p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sorry if this has been answered, but I'm on the dige=
st.&nbsp; The green wire (X) should show battery voltage t if the key is on=
.&nbsp; The Green/Brown wire (L) should&nbsp; also show battery voltage if =
you don't have the turn signal on and then open and
 close when you activate the turn signal switch in either direction.&nbsp; =
The Light Green/Purple wire (P) goes to the dash lamp and should do the sam=
e as the Green/Brown wire.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you have the flasher out there should be continui=
ty between X and L and X and P.&nbsp; It won't go open until the current fl=
ow is high enough to heat the bimetallic strip and open the circuit.&nbsp; =
An ohmmeter won't flow enough current to open
 it.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you have a newer electronic flasher it depends on=
 what kind you have.&nbsp; Generally they'll start flashing as soon as ther=
e's any path to ground.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You don't want a &quot;really&quot; new flasher that=
 fast flashes when there's a bulb out.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">What's your problem?&nbsp; &nbsp;No light?&nbsp; Lig=
ht all the time?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
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<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ben Zwissler<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"mailto:bjzwissler@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">bjzwissler@gmail.com</a><u></u><u></u><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">812-343-5533<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Columbus, IN<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
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The blinker module on this car is likely not original.<br>
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It has 3 tabs, labeled L, P, X<br>
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How do I test it?<br>
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