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Friends,
Years ago (mid 70=E2=80=99s) I was given a TR6 with a blown engine. =
Didn=E2=80=99t know why the engine had gone bad. The previous / =
previous owner had taken it to shop for some reason and they did a Valve =
Job. A friend bought it and we swapped some stuff and I ended up with =
the car. Pulled the engine and found the rod bearings badly worn, one =
was blue from heat and at least 1 rod needed re-sized along with a crank =
regrind. Put it all back together, fired it up and began driving it. =
Checked the oil a week later and it was UP not down. Smelled it and =
strong gasoline smell. Turns out the cause of everything was a stock =
fuel pump; pumping gas into the crankcase and thinning the oil. Promptly =
replaced the pump with a new stock one and drove the car for several =
months until I sold it. I had my 4A and didn=E2=80=99t need 2 =
TR=E2=80=99s at the time. I liked that car but it was starting to rust =
in all the logical places. Moral is smell your oil every time you check =
it.
JVV
From: DAVID MASSEY=20
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 7:47 AM
To: elliottr@rmi.net ; triumphs@autox.team.net=20
Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps
Those SU pumps had a major weakness, the points. The points get dirty =
and no longer conduct current to the coil. The modern after market =
pumps are electronic and have no such problem. Plus, these new pumps =
have no seals or diaphragms that can cause a leak. I've had two =
mechanical pumps fail on me although not the catastrophic failure where =
your crankcase gets filled with gasoline. Not a possibility with an =
electric pump.
Dave=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Elliott <elliottr@rmi.net>
To: triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jan 5, 2020 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps
We go on a drive (400 - 600 miles) every year with a bunch of MGs, =
which come electric pumps, and Triumphs. Most, if not all, MGs carry a =
spare electric pump that they can put in line quickly if one fails. It =
hasn't happened in the last few years, but for quite a while it was =
normal for for at least one electric pump to go out on the drive. There =
has never been a mechanical pump failure that I recall.
I think, we have replaced the mechanical pump in my Spitfire and my =
wife's TR250 once each in over 30 years of owning both of them. =
Although, I did have to repair the one on the TR250, by staking the =
valve in place.
I am happy with the mechanical ones.
Roger
On 1/5/20 8:42 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
+1
I've run the same electric pump on my TR6 since the 1990's and it hasn't =
missed a beat (no pun intended).
That said, I still have the original style pump on the TR3 for concours =
reasons.
Dave=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
To: dctr6 <dctr6@optonline.net>; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 4, 2020 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps
Dennis,
I know this issue has been thrown around since the lists started but why =
not convert to an electronic pump? I have been running an electronic =
pump on my 3 for 20 years, my 4 for 15 and my 6 for 10. Zero issues. And =
no oil leaks from the pump or where it attaches to the block. No worry =
if the cam is too warn out to operate the lever.
Bob
On 1/4/20 2:40 PM, dctr6@optonline.net wrote:
Does anybody know what the difference is between the fuel pump that =
Moss sells for $29.99 and the=20
one that the Roadster Factory sells for $99 (besides the $70 price =
discrepancy)? They appear the same=20
in the catalogs. I have traditionally bought from TRF and I believe the =
one they sell is made in Italy? Can=20
the recently retired Peter Arkelian shed any light on this? Thanks. =20
Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U
=20
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<DIV>Friends,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Years ago (mid 70=E2=80=99s) I was given a TR6 with a blown engine. =
Didn=E2=80=99t know why=20
the engine had gone bad. The previous / previous owner had taken =
it to=20
shop for some reason and they did a Valve Job. A friend bought it and we =
swapped=20
some stuff and I ended up with the car. Pulled the engine and found the =
rod=20
bearings badly worn, one was blue from heat and at least 1 rod needed =
re-sized=20
along with a crank regrind. Put it all back together, fired it up and =
began=20
driving it. Checked the oil a week later and it was UP not down. Smelled =
it and=20
strong gasoline smell. Turns out the cause of everything was a stock =
fuel pump;=20
pumping gas into the crankcase and thinning the oil. Promptly replaced =
the pump=20
with a new stock one and drove the car for several months until I sold =
it. I had=20
my 4A and didn=E2=80=99t need 2 TR=E2=80=99s at the time. I liked that =
car but it was starting=20
to rust in all the logical places. Moral is smell your oil every time =
you check=20
it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>JVV</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Ddave1massey@cs.com>DAVID=20
MASSEY</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 6, 2020 7:47 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Delliottr@rmi.net>elliottr@rmi.net</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dtriumphs@autox.team.net>triumphs@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TR] [6pack] TR250/TR6 fuel =
pumps</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
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DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT: 12pt arial, helvetica, sans-serif">
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>Those SU pumps had a major weakness, the =
points. The=20
points get dirty and no longer conduct current to the coil. The =
modern=20
after market pumps are electronic and have no such problem. Plus, =
these=20
new pumps have no seals or diaphragms that can cause a leak. I've =
had two=20
mechanical pumps fail on me although not the catastrophic failure where =
your=20
crankcase gets filled with gasoline. Not a possibility with an =
electric=20
pump.</FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"CLEAR: both"><FONT size=3D4>Dave </FONT><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: =
black">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR>From: Roger Elliott <elliottr@rmi.net><BR>To: =
triumphs=20
<triumphs@autox.team.net><BR>Sent: Sun, Jan 5, 2020 3:58 =
pm<BR>Subject:=20
Re: [TR] [6pack] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv8696829280>
<DIV>
<DIV>We go on a drive (400 - 600 miles) every year with a bunch of =
MGs, =20
which come electric pumps, and Triumphs. Most, if not all, MGs carry a =
spare=20
electric pump that they can put in line quickly if one fails. It =
hasn't=20
happened in the last few years, but for quite a while it was normal for =
for at=20
least one electric pump to go out on the drive. There has never =
been a=20
mechanical pump failure that I recall.<BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
<DIV>I think, we have replaced the mechanical pump in my Spitfire and my =
wife's=20
TR250 once each in over 30 years of owning both of them. Although, I did =
have to=20
repair the one on the TR250, by staking the valve in place.<BR =
clear=3Dnone></DIV>
<DIV>I am happy with the mechanical ones.<BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
<DIV>Roger<BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv8696829280yqt45178 class=3Dyiv8696829280yqt5739446442>
<DIV class=3Dyiv8696829280moz-cite-prefix>On 1/5/20 8:42 AM, DAVID =
MASSEY=20
wrote:<BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyiv8696829280yqt17312 class=3Dyiv8696829280yqt5739446442>
<DIV>
<DIV style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT: 12pt arial, helvetica, sans-serif">
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>+1</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3><BR clear=3Dnone></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>I've run the same electric pump on my TR6 since the =
1990's and=20
it hasn't missed a beat (no pun intended).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3><BR clear=3Dnone></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>That said, I still have the original style pump on =
the TR3 for=20
concours reasons.</FONT><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"CLEAR: both"><FONT size=3D4>Dave </FONT><BR =
clear=3Dnone><BR=20
clear=3Dnone></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV=20
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black">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR clear=3Dnone>From: Bob via 6pack <A=20
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ymailto=3D"mailto:dctr6@optonline.net";><dctr6@optonline.net></A>; =
6pack <A=20
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ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";><triumphs@autox.team.net>=
;</A><BR=20
clear=3Dnone>Sent: Sat, Jan 4, 2020 2:36 pm<BR clear=3Dnone>Subject: Re: =
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<DIV>Dennis,</DIV>
<DIV>I know this issue has been thrown around since the lists started =
but why=20
not convert to an electronic pump? I have been running an electronic =
pump on my=20
3 for 20 years, my 4 for 15 and my 6 for 10. Zero issues. And no oil =
leaks from=20
the pump or where it attaches to the block. No worry if the cam is too =
warn out=20
to operate the lever.</DIV>
<DIV>Bob<BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
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the=20
difference is between the fuel pump that Moss sells for $29.99 and the =
</DIV>
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for $99=20
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