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My story goes as follows . I purchased a classic Mini Cooper pickup on Ebay f=
rom the other side of the pond , the UK. Description and photos were appeali=
ng so i decided to bid and i won the auction. Picked up my new toy at the po=
rt and trailered her home. Nice to find out that the floor boards were nothi=
ng more then heavy gauge aluminum foil . The bottom line is buyer beware. La=
rry Schwartz=20
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:27 AM, marty <trmarty@hotmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Yes, and it could save one of us from the same experience.
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> Marty
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> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of TERRY SMITH <=
terryrs@comcast.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:12 AM
> To: Andrew Uprichard; triumphs@autox.team.net; 6pack@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] eBay - a sobering story
> =20
> You're doing the right thing, Andrew. Except publicize his name and where=
he is. E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth has ever bee=
n a civilian's defensive tool.
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> Terry
>> On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net=
> wrote:=20
>>=20
>> Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own stup=
idity. I screwed up. But the follow-up is where I think others need to be c=
areful.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been loo=
king for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub. I recently s=
aw one on eBay which was advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good condition=E2=80=
=9D. It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller twice and asked speci=
fically about the extent of the rust: he replied by assuring me the car was=
=E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cminimal rust=E2=80=9D. I=
asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was at a=
different location.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car u=
p within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a week=
. The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=99t make it=
. He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately. I called PayPal and the=
y said I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car. So I ca=
lled eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle prote=
ction plan (VPP). So I paid. My mistake.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to pu=
t my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt=
it could ever be restored. Oh, and the frame was bent. I told him I wasn=
=E2=80=99t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my m=
oney back. He told me tough, you paid already, it=E2=80=99s yours.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars l=
ess than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the selle=
r. After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress o=
f litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car. When I got there t=
he seller told me he had sold it to someone else. Great, I said, give me my=
money. Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll deal with the other guy.=
The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car u=
p and drove home.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Bottom line =E2=80=93 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one=
of which is fiberglass. The car is being collected this week for a trip to=
the scrapyard.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it. Thankfully, my lovel=
y wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy. But I d=
id leave negative feedback on eBay. The EXACT words were =E2=80=9CTotal mis=
representation of the car. Buyers beware=E2=80=9D. It never posted. I cal=
led eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =E2=
=80=9Cpejorative and threatened the future success of his business=E2=80=9D.=
As a result eBay had the right to remove it =E2=80=93 and they did. And t=
hey will not let me leave any negative feedback.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about m=
ankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay. I guess I am ventin=
g, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Andrew Uprichard
>>=20
>> Jackson, Michigan
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">My story goes as follows . I purchased a cl=
assic Mini Cooper pickup on Ebay from the other side of the pond , the UK. D=
escription and photos were appealing so i decided to bid and i won the aucti=
on. Picked up my new toy at the port and trailered her home. Nice to find ou=
t that the floor boards were nothing more then heavy gauge aluminum foil . T=
he bottom line is buyer beware. Larry Schwartz <br><br><div id=3D"Apple=
MailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:27 A=
M, marty <<a href=3D"mailto:trmarty@hotmail.com";>trmarty@hotmail.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
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family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;" dir=3D"ltr">
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Yes, and it could save one of us f=
rom the same experience.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Marty</p>
<br>
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i, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Triumphs <<a href=3D=
"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>=
> on behalf of TERRY SMITH <<a href=3D"mailto:terryrs@comcast.net";>ter=
ryrs@comcast.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Uprichard; <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triu=
mphs@autox.team.net</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@autox=
.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] eBay - a sobering story</font>
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<p style=3D"font-size:12pt; font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color:rg=
b(51,51,51)">
You're doing the right thing, Andrew. Except publicize his name and wh=
ere he is. E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth has e=
ver been a civilian's defensive tool.<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"font-size:12pt; font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color:rg=
b(51,51,51)">
<br>
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<p style=3D"font-size:12pt; font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color:rg=
b(51,51,51)">
Terry<br>
</p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net";>auprichard@uprichard.net</a>&g=
t; wrote:
<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-WordSection1">
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility f=
or my own stupidity. I screwed up. But the follow-up is where I t=
hink others need to be careful.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I=
have been looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub=
. I recently saw one on eBay which
was advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good condition=E2=80=9D. It was f=
airly expensive, so I emailed the seller
<u>twice</u> and asked specifically about the extent of the rust: he r=
eplied by assuring me the car was =E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =E2=
=80=9Cminimal rust=E2=80=9D. I asked for additional pics, but he said i=
t was difficult as the car was at a different location.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to p=
ick the car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be go=
ne for a week. The car was several
hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=99t make it. He said OK, bu=
t he wanted the money immediately. I called PayPal and they said I wou=
ld lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car. So I called eB=
ay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay
vehicle protection plan (VPP). So I paid. My mistake. </span></=
p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes bi=
g enough to put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision d=
amage I doubt it could ever be
restored. Oh, and the frame was bent. I told him I wasn=E2=80=99=
t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money bac=
k. He told me tough, you paid already, it=E2=80=99s yours.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only ap=
plies to cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than t=
o sue the seller. After several
sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress of litigation and s=
o I drove back out to collect the car. When I got there the seller tol=
d me he had sold it to someone else. Great, I said, give me my money.&=
nbsp; Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll deal
with the other guy. The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so=
I simply loaded the car up and drove home.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">Bottom line =E2=80=93 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2=
fenders, one of which is fiberglass. The car is being collected this w=
eek for a trip to the scrapyard.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it. T=
hankfully, my lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgiv=
e the guy. But I did leave negative feedback
on eBay. The EXACT words were =E2=80=9CTotal misrepresentation of the=
car. Buyers beware=E2=80=9D. It never posted. I called eB=
ay today and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =E2=80=9C=
pejorative and threatened the future success of his business=E2=80=9D. =
As a result
eBay had the right to remove it =E2=80=93 and they did. And they will=
not let me leave any negative feedback.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more c=
ynical about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay. I=
guess I am venting, but if anyone has
a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">Andrew Uprichard
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">Jackson, Michigan
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New=
Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
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Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
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Roman','serif'">
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