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TR 2-4A Engine Question - Piston Height Proud of Liner

To: mark@basecamp.mv.com, triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: TR 2-4A Engine Question - Piston Height Proud of Liner
From: a Wallace <wallaces@superaje.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:06:56 -0500
Hi Mark,
One thing that strikes me is the possibility that the previous assembly 
might have been with a thicker than standard head gasket. Did it look like 
a standard style? I know you can get various thicknesses if you go to solid 
copper.
I have a brand new uncompressed head gasket here, and it measures .072". I 
checked it all over the place and the thickness is very consistent.
The old one is .048" at the top of the sleeve, so in my case there was 
0.024" of gasket compression. Even worse news I guess.
Also - how big are your pistons? I don't think mine at 87.2 mm would have 
quite fit through the hole in the gasket (87mm?).
Depending on piston diameter you are likely to have quite a higher 
compression ratio too. Just moving from the old 83 mm to the 87.2 is 
putting mine at about 9.3, with the pistons exactly at the top of the sleeves.
One thing you might consider is to double the figure 8 gaskets. They are 
about 0.017" thick. Of course then you would probably have to get a custom 
thickness of head gasket to compensate.
I think there was also a plate available at one time as an option to lower 
compression for countries that could only get low octane gas. The plate 
went between the head gasket and the block, so it might be just the thing 
for your situation. I don't know how thick they were though, or what they 
were made of. They must have been somewhat compressible to deal with the 
sleeves standing proud of the deck.

Are the liners still out of the block? If so and you have a means to 
measure them send me the height between the seating surface and the top, 
and I'll let you know what mine are (I still have the old ones around). 
Then we would at least know whether they have been reduced - who knows, 
maybe you have the wrong pistons in there! There's another thing we could 
try - if you measure from the top of the wrist pin hole to the top of the 
piston I can give you that measurement on my old ones too.
Regards,
Jim Wallace
++++++++++++++++++++++++
>In putting the pistons back into my early -4 engine, I noted they were 
>about .030" above the tops of the liners at TDC. The block evidently had 
>been decked some time in the past, the head had been milled .093". I'm 
>using the same crank, pistons, rods & head (std bearings, too upon 
>rebuild) as were in the engine in the as received condition so I'm 
>supposing it ran this way. The head gasket I have is .070" thick. Allowing 
>for .020" compression of the gasket upon installation (wild ass guess), 
>I'm anticipating .070-.020-.030-.004 (liner protrusion above the block) 
>equaling .016". Wow! Is .016" comfort zone before metal to metal contact 
>acceptable?
>.......
>Mark Meany
>Keene, NH
>TR4A CTC 62486

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