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I was buying and selling Tiger parts in 1978 and this brass angle fitting =
was obsolete from Ford then.=20
I believe the brass angle fitting was made by Weatherhead.
I am 90% sure that all the 260 MKI Tigers had the angle fitting PCV adapter=
, and it was changed with the 289 MKII Tiger.
As I side note: The MKI & MKII Tigers used AC Delco PCV valves, not Ford/Mo=
torcraft.
David Franchi
On Friday, October 8, 2021, 11:09:53 AM PDT, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefr=
og.com> wrote: =20
=20
=20
This is a question that is not part of my Original Tiger engine study.
I don=E2=80=99t know if the later style PCV is original to my engine.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 I only know this it is as purchased, I=E2=80=99m the 4th owner.
=C2=A0
Did Ford stock pile these adaptors for the Tiger engine build, well maybe.
If so it is a very good question as to when the change was made to the late=
r style PCV valve and hose.
=C2=A0
The Parts List is no help because it lists changes by Vin #, Ford made chan=
ges by engine #.
The PCV Adaptor is listed for all Tiger engines =E2=80=93 no help there for=
when this part was changed.
=C2=A0
The only way to understand when this change happened is by Ford engine # or=
with period photos of the 60=E2=80=99s that at least indicate a Vin # to g=
ive us a reference point.
=C2=A0
Original Tiger Engine Study is online on the TE/AE web site.
It has been online since April 2021, there are only 13 entries.=C2=A0 I had=
hoped for many more by now.
This is an easy questionnaire, no engine tear down required unless you want=
to.=20
Please participate.
Thanks
=C2=A0
Ron Fraser
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
From: Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com>=20
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2021 1:26 PM
To: jimdamelio <jimdamelio@verizon.net>
Cc: Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>; Tiger List List <tigers@Autox.Team.N=
et>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger PCV Adapter
=C2=A0
My crossover Mk1a =C2=A0B382=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A691 came to me with the adapto=
r.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
I am the 2nd owner and have no info whether the prior owner made changes.
=C2=A0
Any changes were made pre-1980 which is when the car entered long term stor=
age.
=C2=A0
Allan Ballard
-Mk1a
-Series I Alpine (V6)
=C2=A0
On Oct 8, 2021, at 12:56 PM, jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
=C2=A0
Thanks for all the responses.=C2=A0 I know what's original now.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Sent from my Galaxy
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
-------- Original message --------
From: Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>=20
Date: 10/8/21 11:56 AM (GMT-05:00)=20
To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio@verizon.net>=20
Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net=20
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger PCV Adapter=20
=C2=A0
The short answer is NO.=C2=A0 This picture is from Bob Mannel=E2=80=99s boo=
k pg. 4-41.
=C2=A0
The PCV valve threads into the Adaptor.
The pictures you sent =E2=80=93 that part could work but not original or co=
rrect for the Tiger engine.
I don=E2=80=99t believe the original Adaptor is available =E2=80=93 it is o=
bsolete.
=C2=A0
Ford fazed the brass Adaptor part out as a cost reduction, replaced by the =
PCV hose with 2 right angles in 1965.
It is curious that even the MK II Part List shows this Adaptor.=C2=A0 MK II=
does not use the brass Adaptor part.
=C2=A0
I do not know when this change took place on the Tiger engine but my F21KA =
engine has the 2 right angle PCV hose.
=C2=A0
Ron Fraser
=C2=A0
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Ti=
gers
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2021 9:52 AM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger PCV Adapter
=C2=A0
I've attached two pictures and was wondering if this is the same adapter Ro=
otes used on the Tiger.=C2=A0 The early parts book lists the Ford # as 3787=
54.=C2=A0 The Mustang supplier's sell the pictured one for big block cars. =
Anyone still have their original.
=C2=A0
Jim D
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Sent from my Galaxy
=C2=A0
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
etdir=3D"false">I was buying and selling Tiger parts in 1978 and this brass=
angle fitting was obsolete from Ford then. <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data=
-setdir=3D"false">I believe the <span>brass angle fitting</span> was made b=
y Weatherhead.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I am 90% sure that all the 260 MKI Tig=
ers had the angle fitting PCV adapter, and it was changed with the 289 MKII=
Tiger.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" data-setdir=3D"false">As I side note: The MKI & MKII Tigers used AC=
Delco PCV valves, not Ford/Motorcraft.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><br></div>David Franchi</div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div=
>
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f2a2abyahoo_quoted">
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<div>
On Friday, October 8, 2021, 11:09:53 AM PDT, Ron Fraser=
<rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380"><div><div class=
=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241=
380MsoNormal">This is a question that is not part of my Original Tiger engi=
ne study.</p><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t=
know if the later style PCV is original to my engine. I only k=
now this it is as purchased, I=E2=80=99m the 4<sup>th</sup> owner.</p><p cl=
ass=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2a=
byiv5602241380MsoNormal">Did Ford stock pile these adaptors for the Tiger e=
ngine build, well maybe.</p><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">=
If so it is a very good question as to when the change was made to the late=
r style PCV valve and hose.</p><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNorma=
l"> </p><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">The Parts List=
is no help because it lists changes by Vin #, Ford made changes by engine =
#.</p><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">The PCV Adaptor is lis=
ted for all Tiger engines =E2=80=93 no help there for when this part was ch=
anged.</p><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p><p clas=
s=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">The only way to understand when thi=
s change happened is by Ford engine # or with period photos of the 60=E2=80=
=99s that at least indicate a Vin # to give us a reference point.</p><p cla=
ss=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2ab=
yiv5602241380MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">Original Tiger=
Engine Study is online on the TE/AE web site.</span></b></p><p class=3D"yd=
p56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">It ha=
s been online since April 2021, there are only 13 entries. I had hope=
d for many more by now.</span></b></p><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380M=
soNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">This is an easy questionnair=
e, no engine tear down required unless you want to. </span></b></p><p class=
=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;"=
>Please participate.</span></b></p><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoN=
ormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">Thanks</span></b></p><p class=
=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;"=
> </span></b></p><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"><b>Ro=
n Fraser</b></p><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"><b> </=
b></p><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D=
"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p><div class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv=
5602241380yqt0389262758" id=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380yqt93301"><div><div =
style=3D"border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border=
-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in =
0in;"><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Allan Bal=
lard <aballard@ix.netcom.com> <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday,=
October 08, 2021 1:26 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> jimdamelio <jimda=
melio@verizon.net><br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> Ron Fraser <rfraser@b=
luefrog.com>; Tiger List List <tigers@Autox.Team.Net><br clear=3D"=
none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger PCV Adapter</p></div></div><p clas=
s=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2aby=
iv5602241380MsoNormal">My crossover Mk1a B382=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A691 cam=
e to me with the adaptor. </p><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv560224138=
0MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNo=
rmal">I am the 2nd owner and have no info whether the prior owner made chan=
ges.</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </=
p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">Any changes wer=
e made pre-1980 which is when the car entered long term storage.</p></div><=
div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p=
class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">Allan Ballard</p></div><div><p=
class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">-Mk1a</p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">-Series I Alpine (V6)</p></div></div=
><div><div class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380yqt0389262758" id=3D"ydp56f2a2a=
byiv5602241380yqt48181"><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> &nb=
sp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"non=
e"><br clear=3D"none"></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bott=
om:5.0pt;"><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">On Oct 8, 20=
21, at 12:56 PM, jimdamelio via Tigers <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto=
:tigers@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.tea=
m.net</a>> wrote:</p></div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal=
"> </p><div><div><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">=
Thanks for all the responses. I know what's original now.</p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p =
class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p></div><div id=3D"ydp56f2a=
2abyiv5602241380composer_signature"><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv56022413=
80MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;color:#575757;">Sent from my Ga=
laxy</span></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNorm=
al"> </p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> &=
nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">--------=
Original message --------</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv56022413=
80MsoNormal">From: Ron Fraser <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:rfraser@=
bluefrog.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>&g=
t; </p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">Date: 10/8=
/21 11:56 AM (GMT-05:00) </p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv560224138=
0MsoNormal">To: 'jimdamelio' <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:jimdameli=
o@verizon.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">jimdamelio@verizon.net</a=
>> </p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">Cc: <a =
shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net"; rel=3D"nofollow" targe=
t=3D"_blank">tigers@Autox.Team.Net</a> </p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2=
abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger PCV Adapter </p></div=
><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">The short answer is NO. =
; This picture is from Bob Mannel=E2=80=99s book pg. 4-41.</p><div><p class=
=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p></div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a=
2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">The PCV valve threads into the Adaptor.</p><p cl=
ass=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">The pictures you sent =E2=80=93 t=
hat part could work but not original or correct for the Tiger engine.</p><p=
class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t believe the or=
iginal Adaptor is available =E2=80=93 it is obsolete.</p><div><p class=3D"y=
dp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p></div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyi=
v5602241380MsoNormal">Ford fazed the brass Adaptor part out as a cost reduc=
tion, replaced by the PCV hose with 2 right angles in 1965.</p><p class=3D"=
ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">It is curious that even the MK II Part L=
ist shows this Adaptor. MK II does not use the brass Adaptor part.</p=
><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p></div><p cla=
ss=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">I do not know when this change too=
k place on the Tiger engine but my F21KA engine has the 2 right angle PCV h=
ose.</p><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p></div=
><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p><div><p class=
=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><div style=3D"b=
order-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-style: so=
lid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><p c=
lass=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers <<a shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>j=
imdamelio via Tigers<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 08, 202=
1 9:52 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:tig=
ers@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.ne=
t</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Tiger PCV Adapter</p></div=
></div><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:sans-serif;">I've attached two pictures and was wondering if this is th=
e same adapter Rootes used on the Tiger. The early parts book lists t=
he Ford # as 378754. The Mustang supplier's sell the pictured one for=
big block cars. Anyone still h</span>ave their original.</p></div><div><di=
v><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p></div></div><div=
><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal">Jim D</p></div><div><div><p=
class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p></div></div><div><di=
v><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p></div></div><div=
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a2abyiv5602241380MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;color:#575757;">=
Sent from my Galaxy</span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"ydp56f2a2ab=
yiv5602241380MsoNormal"> </p></div></div></div></div><p class=3D"ydp56=
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