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Agree 100%. The difference was factory cheating, with associated dollars, v=
ersus Doane's ingenuity :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com>
To: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>; tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.=
team.net>; garywinblad@comcast.net <garywinblad@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 6:21 pm
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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It wasn=E2=80=99t just Ford.=C2=A0 The Tiger was beating all of the Corvett=
es too and Chevy knew the Tiger was the car to beat in the championships in=
1965 (thus the wreck).=C2=A0 And I would bet they would find a lot of thin=
gs on all of the cars.=C2=A0 They were all doing whatever they could to get=
an advantage.
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Matthew
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From: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>=20
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 3:04 PM
To: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com>; tigers@autox.team.net; garywinblad@co=
mcast.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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=C2=A0
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Yep, Sunbeam got screwed by the SCCA (and Ford's money) when it came to the=
LAT options. Other hand, I'll bet if the HSC car was scrutinized back in t=
he day, they'd have found a lot more than a few LAT listed items... ;)
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Mike=C2=A0
-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com>
To: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>; tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.=
team.net>;garywinblad@comcast.net <garywinblad@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 2:20 pm
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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I believe that was LAT 40?=C2=A0
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=C2=A0
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Also, don=E2=80=99t forget that all factory options were legal in SCCA in 1=
965 and in the AHRA in at least 1965-1967 (I don=E2=80=99t know if anything=
changed after that in the AHRA).=C2=A0 But that was back when things reall=
y mattered for the factory efforts and when the Tiger was a World and Natio=
nal champ in the AHRA and should have been National champ the NHRA but that=
is another story.
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=C2=A0
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Matthew
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=C2=A0
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From: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:21 AM
To: tigers@autox.team.net; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com>;garywinblad@com=
cast.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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=C2=A0
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Should have added, the TMC rear sway bars did get an LAT number way down th=
e road, but were never a Rootes or factory offered piece. In any case, at t=
hat time (and now), the sanctioning body we were running with, SCCA, deemed=
LAT options as aftermarket, not factory. So, semantics, perhaps.
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In any case, there are a lot of moving pieces (literally lol) in any suspen=
sion discussion. I'm just sharing my experience, which includes lots of tes=
ting and SCCA national level autocross success=C2=A0 :)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Wood via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
To: MTaylor@ea.com <MTaylor@ea.com>;garywinblad@comcast.net <garywinblad@co=
mcast.net>;tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 10:07 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with 4bbl and headers) and stock fr=
ont suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F Stock.=C2=A0 But, I did have =
KONI's, optimized alignment, limited slip and bolt on TMC traction bars. Th=
at all changed when I went to the 302/5spd combo further down the road. Als=
o, I don't believe a rear bar or the motors your Dad and Stan were running =
were factory options and none of us were technically stock legal (but, the =
faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) But I might be misrememb=
ering, it was a long time ago :)
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No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at Buck's rac=
e car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The real point I=
'm making is that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspensi=
on car has not been optimal in my experience.=C2=A0=C2=A0
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-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com>
To: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>;garywinblad@comcast.net <garywinblad@=
comcast.net>;tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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I was just comparing two stock Tigers with factory options.=C2=A0 I think y=
ou were a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1=E2=80=9D front sway bar.=C2=
=A0 I don=E2=80=99t think he has a rear bar but I=E2=80=99m not positive.
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And Gary, the set up isn=E2=80=99t that hard.=C2=A0 100% stock rear springs=
.=C2=A0 Slightly stiffer front springs.
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Matthew
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From: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM
To: garywinblad@comcast.net; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com>;tigers@autox.=
team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
=20
Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tig=
er, both of them were fantastic drivers with tons of experience, But, I end=
ed up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Ef=
fectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I =
don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most com=
fortable with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers=
that will be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip =
:)
-----Original Message-----
From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.net>
To: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers@au=
tox.team.net>; Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.
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It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.=C2=A0 The rear bar makes it=
loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and his=
posi.
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Very impressive and fast.
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Gary=C2=A0
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On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
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I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=9D but you=
have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great=
.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly=
with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different=
.=C2=A0 A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of =
the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.=C2=A0 It=E2=
=80=99s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the t=
ype of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross =
experiences.
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Matthew
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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Michael Wood via T=
igers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
=20
=C2=A0
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Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've ye=
t to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angl=
es, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that=
made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.=C2=A0
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Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option o=
r not?=C2=A0 Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pict=
ures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
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Thanks
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Joel Martin
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color:black;">Agree 100%. The difference was factory cheating, with associa=
ted dollars, versus Doane's ingenuity :)<br><br><br>-----Original Message--=
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;mwood24020@aol.com>; tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.team.net>=
;; garywinblad@comcast.net <garywinblad@comcast.net><br>Sent: Thu, Se=
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal">It wasn=E2=80=99t just Ford. The =
Tiger was beating all of the Corvettes too and Chevy knew the Tiger was the=
car to beat in the championships in 1965 (thus the wreck). And I wou=
ld bet they would find a lot of things on all of the cars. They
were all doing whatever they could to get an advantage.</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal"> </p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal">Matthew</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal"> </p>=20
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0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Michael Wood <mwood2402=
0@aol.com> <br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 3:04 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com>; tigers@autox.team.net; g=
arywinblad@comcast.net<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;"> </span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Yep, Sunbeam got screwed by the SCCA (and For=
d's money) when it came to the LAT options. Other hand, I'll bet if the HSC=
car was scrutinized back in the day, they'd
have found a lot more than a few LAT listed items... ;)</span></p>=20
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mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Mike <br=
clear=3D"none">
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rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:MTaylor@ea.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:MT=
aylor@ea.com">MTaylor@ea.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
To: Michael Wood <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect"=
ymailto=3D"mailto:mwood24020@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:mwo=
od24020@aol.com">mwood24020@aol.com</a>>; <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener no=
referrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
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tigers@autox.team.net</a> <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
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rywinblad@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast=
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">I believe that was LAT 40?
</span></p>=20
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mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Also, don=E2=80=99t forget that all factory o=
ptions were legal in SCCA in 1965 and in the AHRA in at least 1965-1967 (I =
don=E2=80=99t know if anything changed after
that in the AHRA). But that was back when things really mattered for=
the factory efforts and when the Tiger was a World and National champ in t=
he AHRA and should have been National champ the NHRA but that is another st=
ory.</span></p>=20
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mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></p>=20
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mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Matthew</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:sans-serif;color:black;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"> Michael Wood <<a rel=3D"nofo=
llow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:mwood24020@aol.c=
om" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:mwood24020@aol.com";>mwood24020@aol.com=
</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:21 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>; Taylor, Matthew <<a rel=3D"nof=
ollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:MTaylor@ea.com"=
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:MTaylor@ea.com";>MTaylor@ea.com</a>>;
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rywinblad@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast=
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Should have added, the TMC rear sway bars did=
get an LAT number way down the road, but were never a Rootes or factory of=
fered piece. In any case, at
that time (and now), the sanctioning body we were running with, SCCA, deem=
ed LAT options as aftermarket, not factory. So, semantics, perhaps.</span><=
/p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">In any case, there are a lot of moving pieces=
(literally lol) in any suspension discussion. I'm just sharing my experien=
ce, which includes lots of testing
and SCCA national level autocross success :)</span></p>=20
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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 10:07 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal4"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with 4bbl and headers) and =
stock front suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F Stock. But, I d=
id have KONI's, optimized alignment, limited
slip and bolt on TMC traction bars. That all changed when I went to the 30=
2/5spd combo further down the road. Also, I don't believe a rear bar or the=
motors your Dad and Stan were running were factory options and none of us =
were technically stock legal (but,
the faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) But I might be misr=
emembering, it was a long time ago :)</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></=
span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal4"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal4"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at Bu=
ck's race car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The real=
point I'm making is that installing
an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspension car has not been optimal =
in my experience. </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p=
>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal4"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Taylor, Matthew <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"=
rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:MTaylor@ea.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:MT=
aylor@ea.com">MTaylor@ea.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
To: Michael Wood <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect"=
ymailto=3D"mailto:mwood24020@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:mwo=
od24020@aol.com">mwood24020@aol.com</a>>;
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rywinblad@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast=
.net">garywinblad@comcast.net</a> <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferre=
r" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net";>garywinblad@comcast.net</a>>=
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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span><span style=3D"color:black;=
"></span></p>=20
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<div id=3D"yiv1649358045">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">I was just comparing two stock Tigers with factory options. I=
think you were a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1=E2=80=9D front sway b=
ar. I don=E2=80=99t think he has a rear bar but I=E2=80=99m not posit=
ive.</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">And Gary, the set up isn=E2=80=99t that hard. 100% stock rear=
springs. Slightly stiffer front springs.</span><span style=3D"color:=
black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;">Matthew</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:=
black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;col=
or:black;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"> M=
ichael Wood <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:mwood24020@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:mwood240=
20@aol.com">mwood24020@aol.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:garywi=
nblad@comcast.net">garywinblad@comcast.net</a>; Taylor, Matthew <<a rel=
=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:MTaylor@=
ea.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:MTaylor@ea.com";>MTaylor@ea.com</a>=
>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span><span style=3D"color=
:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal2" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey =
when I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of them were fantastic dri=
vers with tons of experience, But, I ended
up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Effe=
ctively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I do=
n't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most comfo=
rtable with in terms of set up is
key and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more important in ter=
ms of time on course than ultimate grip :)<br clear=3D"none">
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-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: GARY WINBLAD <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rec=
t" ymailto=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
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ne">
To: Taylor, Matthew <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:MTaylor@ea.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:MTay=
lor@ea.com">MTaylor@ea.com</a>>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <<a rel=
=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tige=
rs@autox.team.net</a>>; Michael Wood <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener nor=
eferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:mwood24020@aol.com"; target=3D"_bl=
ank" href=3D"mailto:mwood24020@aol.com";>mwood24020@aol.com</a>><br clear=
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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span><span style=3D"color:black;=
"></span></p>=20
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<div id=3D"yiv1649358045">
<div>
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fa=
st.
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart. The rear bar=
makes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with powe=
r and his posi.
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">Very impressive and fast.
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">Gary
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;">
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <<a rel=3D"no=
follow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.t=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@aut=
ox.team.net</a>> wrote:
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=
=9D but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it =
works great. I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set =
up
properly with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but =
different. A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advan=
tages of the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.&nb=
sp; It=E2=80=99s possible that one could be faster
than the other depending on the type of course, but it would be fractions =
of a second based on my autocross experiences.</span><span style=3D"color:b=
lack;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">Matthew</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">From:</span></strong><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"> Tigers <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener nor=
eferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>tigers-bounce=
s@autox.team.net</a>>
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">On Behalf Of </span></stron=
g>Michael Wood via Tigers<br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">Sent:</span></strong> Wedne=
sday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">To:</span></strong> <a rel=
=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>
tigers@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">Subject:</span></strong> Re=
: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></=
p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;">Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...an=
d I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, cor=
rect angles, adjustability etc used in
conjunction with front end improvements) that made any sense or was additi=
ve to total grip capability. </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></spa=
n></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">Mike<br clear=3D"none">
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From: Joel Martin via Tigers <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sh=
ape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=
=3D"none">
To: Tiger List Serve <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
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Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></=
span></p>=20
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:serif;color:black;">Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tig=
er or was it a LAT option or not? Size, mounting points? Either way c=
ould someone post some pictures
of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?</span><span style=3D=
"color:black;"></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:serif;color:black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span=
></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:serif;color:black;">Thanks</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span=
></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:serif;color:black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span=
></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv1649358045msonormal11"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:serif;color:black;">Joel Martin</span><span style=3D"color:black;"><=
/span></p>=20
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