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No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with 4bbl and headers) and stock fr=
ont suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F Stock.=C2=A0 But, I did have =
KONI's, optimized alignment, limited slip and bolt on TMC traction bars. Th=
at all changed when I went to the 302/5spd combo further down the road. Als=
o, I don't believe a rear bar or the motors your Dad and Stan were running =
were factory options and none of us were technically stock legal (but, the =
faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) But I might be misrememb=
ering, it was a long time ago :)
No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at Buck's rac=
e car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The real point I=
'm making is that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspensi=
on car has not been optimal in my experience.=C2=A0=C2=A0
-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com>
To: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>; garywinblad@comcast.net <garywinblad=
@comcast.net>; tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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I was just comparing two stock Tigers with factory options.=C2=A0 I think y=
ou were a bit more modified and Stan runs a 1=E2=80=9D front sway bar.=C2=
=A0 I don=E2=80=99t think he has a rear bar but I=E2=80=99m not positive.
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And Gary, the set up isn=E2=80=99t that hard.=C2=A0 100% stock rear springs=
.=C2=A0 Slightly stiffer front springs.
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Matthew
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From: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>=20
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM
To: garywinblad@comcast.net; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com>; tigers@autox=
.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
=20
Yep, Terry and Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tig=
er, both of them were fantastic drivers with tons of experience, But, I end=
ed up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do with it. Ef=
fectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "tossable" I =
don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") are most com=
fortable with in terms of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers=
that will be more important in terms of time on course than ultimate grip =
:)
-----Original Message-----
From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.net>
To: Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers@au=
tox.team.net>; Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
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I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him and his car are VERY fast.
=20
It seems to be set up very hard like a go-cart.=C2=A0 The rear bar makes it=
loose and he steers it (wags the tail) around the cones with power and his=
posi.
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Very impressive and fast.
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Gary=C2=A0
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On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
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=C2=A0
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I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal grip capability,=E2=80=9D but you=
have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the rear sway bar and it works great=
.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed Tigers that are set up properly=
with or without the rear sway bar and they both handle great but different=
.=C2=A0 A good driver can adjust to the differences and take advantages of =
the differences, but I doubt one is much faster than the other.=C2=A0 It=E2=
=80=99s possible that one could be faster than the other depending on the t=
ype of course, but it would be fractions of a second based on my autocross =
experiences.
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=C2=A0
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Matthew
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=C2=A0
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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Michael Wood via T=
igers
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
=20
=C2=A0
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Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an aftermarket solution...and I've ye=
t to see one (not counting custom fabricated with heim joints, correct angl=
es, adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that=
made any sense or was additive to total grip capability.=C2=A0
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=C2=A0
=20
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
To: Tiger List Serve <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar
=20
Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger or was it a LAT option o=
r not?=C2=A0 Size, mounting points? Either way could someone post some pict=
ures of how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?
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=C2=A0
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Thanks
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=C2=A0
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Joel Martin
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lack;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">No, my car had less HP at the time (260 with 4bbl and headers=
) and stock front suspension. We all ran together in SCCA F Stock. Bu=
t, I did have KONI's, optimized alignment, limited slip and bolt on TMC tra=
ction bars. That all changed when I went to the 302/5spd combo further down=
the road. Also, I don't believe a rear bar or the motors your Dad and Stan=
were running were factory options and none of us were technically stock le=
gal (but, the faster Camaro and Mustang drivers didn't care lol) But I migh=
t be misremembering, it was a long time ago :)</div><div style=3D"font-fami=
ly:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br></div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"=
>No doubt, a rear bar can be made to work correctly, just look at Buck's ra=
ce car. Of course, they also run BIG front springs and bar! The real point =
I'm making is that installing an off the shelf Addco bar on a stock suspens=
ion car has not been optimal in my experience. </div><div style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br=
></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;"><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Taylor, Matth=
ew <MTaylor@ea.com><br>To: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>; g=
arywinblad@comcast.net <garywinblad@comcast.net>; tigers@autox.team.n=
et <tigers@autox.team.net><br>Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 9:49 am<br>Subj=
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal">I was just comparing two stock Tigers w=
ith factory options. I think you were a bit more modified and Stan ru=
ns a 1=E2=80=9D front sway bar. I don=E2=80=99t think he has a rear b=
ar but I=E2=80=99m not positive.</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"> </p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal">And Gary, the set up isn=E2=80=99t that=
hard. 100% stock rear springs. Slightly stiffer front springs.=
</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"> </p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal">Matthew</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"> </p>=20
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0in 0in;">
<div class=3D"yiv7269323203yqt9710400912" id=3D"yiv7269323203yqtfd50253"><p=
class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Michael Wood <mwood24020@=
aol.com> <br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:41 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> garywinblad@comcast.net; Taylor, Matthew <MTaylor@ea.com>;=
tigers@autox.team.net<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Yep, Terry an=
d Stan were the bogey when I first started autocrossing my Tiger, both of t=
hem were fantastic drivers with tons of experience,
But, I ended up getting past them both and I think set up had a lot to do =
with it. Effectively giving up rear grip to make the car more neutral or "t=
ossable" I don't think makes sense. But, end of day, what you (big "you") a=
re most comfortable with in terms
of set up is key and, you're right, for most drivers that will be more imp=
ortant in terms of time on course than ultimate grip :)<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: GARY WINBLAD <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rec=
t" ymailto=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:garywinblad@comcast.net">garywinblad@comcast.net</a>><br clear=3D"no=
ne">
To: Taylor, Matthew <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:MTaylor@ea.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:MTay=
lor@ea.com">MTaylor@ea.com</a>>; Taylor, Matthew via Tigers <<a rel=
=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tige=
rs@autox.team.net</a>>; Michael Wood <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener nor=
eferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:mwood24020@aol.com"; target=3D"_bl=
ank" href=3D"mailto:mwood24020@aol.com";>mwood24020@aol.com</a>><br clear=
=3D"none">
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 8:21 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">I have seen your dad(a long time ago), him an=
d his car are VERY fast.
</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">It seems to be set up very hard like a go-car=
t. The rear bar makes it loose and he steers it (wags the tail) aroun=
d the cones with power and his posi.
</span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Very impressive and fast.
</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Gary
</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">On 09/30/2021 10:07 AM Taylor, Matthew via Ti=
gers <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"=
mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox=
.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">I don=E2=80=99t know about =E2=80=9Ctotal gri=
p capability,=E2=80=9D but you have seen my dad drive his Tiger with the re=
ar sway bar and it works great. I=E2=80=99ve driven and autocrossed
Tigers that are set up properly with or without the rear sway bar and they=
both handle great but different. A good driver can adjust to the dif=
ferences and take advantages of the differences, but I doubt one is much fa=
ster than the other. It=E2=80=99s possible that
one could be faster than the other depending on the type of course, but it=
would be fractions of a second based on my autocross experiences.</span></=
p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Matthew</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">From:</span></strong><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"> Tigers <<a rel=3D"=
nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers-bounc=
es@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.te=
am.net">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">On Behalf Of </span></stron=
g>Michael Wood via Tigers<br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">Sent:</span></strong> Wedne=
sday, September 29, 2021 6:28 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">To:</span></strong> <a rel=
=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>
tigers@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none">
<strong><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">Subject:</span></strong> Re=
: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;">Like said, any rear bar on a Tiger is an afte=
rmarket solution...and I've yet to see one (not counting custom fabricated =
with heim joints, correct angles,
adjustability etc used in conjunction with front end improvements) that ma=
de any sense or was additive to total grip capability. </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Mike<br clear=
=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Joel Martin via Tigers <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sh=
ape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=
=3D"none">
To: Tiger List Serve <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 1:54 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear Sway bar</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fa=
mily:serif;color:black;">Was a rear sway bar originally fitted on the Tiger=
or was it a LAT option or not? Size, mounting points? Either way cou=
ld someone post some pictures of
how they were suppose to be mounted and installed?</span><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></p>=20
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mily:serif;color:black;"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></p>=20
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mily:serif;color:black;">Thanks</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></p>=20
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mily:serif;color:black;"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
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<p class=3D"yiv7269323203msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fa=
mily:serif;color:black;">Joel Martin</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></span></p>=20
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