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Re: [Tigers] BMR radiator

To: michael king <michael.s.king@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] BMR radiator
From: Owain Lloyd via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 12:42:27 +0200
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Fluidyne - right.
indeed.  there is no pressure increase at that temperature with Evans.  you
can literally remove the cap with your bare hand.
the specific heat capacity isn't quite as good (it's hard to beat water
after all), but the advantages in terms of lack of corrosion (and lack of
expansion) are worth that for me.
the point is that i ran Evans before with the Dale rad and it never ran
that hot.  it was running fine at the high temp (I drove it home at that
temp - no problems - fueling perfect) but it reaches a point where you just
don't want the engine too hot.  iron block, aluminium heads and pistons -
the hotter it gets the more the expansion differences will become.

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:23 PM michael king <michael.s.king@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Owain,
>
> Not sure about the BMR, but the Dales ones were actually Fluidyne
> radiators.
>
> The Griffin ones were a separate company and IIRC had the glued together
> cores.
>
> I hear different things about evans.. one of the things i have heard is
> that the coolant runs hotter, but that it doesn't boil, so i guess to ask:
> Apart from it registering physically hotter, was it suffering any adverse
> effects?
> Did it start vaporising the fuel?
> Did it start running rough?
> Did it puke the coolant?
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 17:54, Owain Lloyd via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Last year my Dale A (Griffin?) radiator cracked and I replaced it with
>> this one from BMR in the UK:
>>
>>
>> https://www.motorsportradiators.co.uk/store/Sunbeam-Tiger-Aluminium-Radiator-p146886570
>>
>> Not really used the car since except a couple of short trips.
>>
>> This week I was going to take the tiger out for a run over some mountain
>> passes but after about 30 minutes, no traffic, it was running at well over
>> 100C / ~230F.  I returned home and checked everything over.
>>
>> 1. Full of fresh Evans waterless coolant.
>> 2. gauge is mechanical
>> 3. horn holes blocked, along with gap between rad and crossmember.
>> 4. fan shroud in place with 13" flex fan on water pump hub.
>> 5. doesn't overheat at idle even when left running for 30 minutes.
>>
>> I've NEVER had a problem with overheating at speed before.  the only
>> issues I had were at idle or in traffic / slow speed but even those had
>> been solved by all the above.  engine is a 490hp 347, but wasn't a problem
>> before.
>>
>> everything is pointing at the BMR radiator just being a bit crap and not
>> doing as good a job as the Dale rad.  anyone running one of these?
>>
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>
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> Michael King
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Fluidyne - right.<div>indeed.=C2=A0 there is no pressure i=
ncrease at that temperature with Evans.=C2=A0 you can literally=C2=A0remove=
 the cap with your bare hand.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div>the specific heat capacity is=
n&#39;t quite as good (it&#39;s hard to beat water after all), but the adva=
ntages in terms of lack of corrosion (and lack of expansion) are worth that=
 for me.</div><div>the point is that i ran Evans before with the Dale rad a=
nd it never ran that hot.=C2=A0 it was running fine at the high temp (I dro=
ve it home at that temp - no problems - fueling perfect) but it reaches a p=
oint where you just don&#39;t want the engine too hot.=C2=A0 iron=C2=A0bloc=
k, aluminium heads and pistons - the hotter it gets the more the expansion =
differences will become.</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:23 PM michael=
 king &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michael.s.king@gmail.com";>michael.s.king@gmail.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hey Owain,<div><br><div>Not sure about the BMR, but the=
 Dales ones were actually Fluidyne radiators.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><di=
v>The Griffin ones were a separate company and IIRC had the glued together =
cores.</div><div><br></div><div>I hear different things about evans.. one o=
f the things i have heard=C2=A0is that the coolant runs hotter, but that it=
 doesn&#39;t=C2=A0boil,=C2=A0so i guess to ask:</div><div>Apart from it reg=
istering physically hotter, was it suffering any adverse effects?</div><div=
>Did it start vaporising the fuel?</div><div>Did it start running rough?</d=
iv><div>Did it puke the coolant?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 17:54, Owain Lloyd via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ti=
gers@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">Last year my Dale A (Griffin?) radiator cracked and I replaced it with th=
is one from BMR in the UK:<br>=C2=A0<br><a href=3D"https://www.motorsportra=
diators.co.uk/store/Sunbeam-Tiger-Aluminium-Radiator-p146886570" target=3D"=
_blank">https://www.motorsportradiators.co.uk/store/Sunbeam-Tiger-Aluminium=
-Radiator-p146886570</a><br><br>Not really used the=C2=A0car since except a=
=C2=A0couple of short trips.<div><br>This week I was going to take the tige=
r out for a run over some mountain passes but after about 30 minutes, no tr=
affic, it was running at well over 100C / ~230F.=C2=A0 I returned home and =
checked everything over.<br><br>1. Full of fresh Evans waterless coolant. =
=C2=A0<br>2. gauge is mechanical<br>3. horn holes blocked, along with gap b=
etween rad and crossmember.<br>4. fan shroud in place with 13&quot; flex fa=
n on water pump hub.<br>5. doesn&#39;t overheat at idle even when left runn=
ing for 30 minutes.<br><br>I&#39;ve NEVER had a problem with overheating at=
 speed before. =C2=A0the only issues I had were at idle=C2=A0or in traffic =
/ slow speed but even those had been solved by all the above. =C2=A0engine =
is a 490hp 347, but wasn&#39;t a problem before.<br><br>everything is point=
ing at the BMR radiator just being a bit crap and not doing as good a job a=
s the Dale rad. =C2=A0anyone running one of these?<br></div><div><br></div>=
</div>
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