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Hi Ron:
Interesting. I had a conversation with Norm just recently and he said
just the opposite, that there were a few cars that were built by Jensen
at the end of the MkIA run with all of the changes that were
incorporated on the MkII's just to make sure it would all go together.
Those cars carried the MkIA badging. I made a mistake in my description
in my previous email about the specific changes. I referred to a Watts
linkage rear setup. That was incorrect. I meant to say Panhard rod, as
that was the change incorporated into the MkII's, as you know.
I suggested to Norm that it would be a good idea for him to publish what
he knows about the MkII changeover process, but have not heard anything
back from him. As you may know, as the editor of Rootes Review, I ran an
ad for the MkII prototype, B382100002 LRXFE in the June issue past. When
I got the info about the car and the request to run the ad, I was
somewhat skeptical since a lot of the MkII trim was missing, so I
contacted Norm. It was the result of our resultant conversation that he
mentioned the MkIA's with the 289s. I was surprised when he mentioned
them because, like you, I had always believed it to be a myth. However,
the oracle has spoken. If Norm is reading this, I would urge him to
weigh in to settle this.
Cheers,
Tod
On 7/16/2016 8:39 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:
>
> Tod
>
> I donâ??t believe any Mk 1A originally came with a 289 engine. I see no
> evidence of anything but the B19KC 260 engine group for the last
> production Mk 1A. Norm Miller calls the 289 engine in Mk 1As a myth.
> It would be nice to have real evidence to confirm either position.
>
> My *Original Tiger Engine Study* does not contain specific information
> for the engines in the last dozen or so Mk 1As produced. Owners lets
> change that.
>
> I will gladly accept and examine engine information for any original
> Tiger engine. I have a worksheet that is easy to fill out â?? just ask
> for one.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> *From:*Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of
> *Tod Brown via Tigers
> *Sent:* Friday, July 15, 2016 7:28 PM
> *To:* tigers@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] MkII VINs
>
> Actually, there were two MkII's assembled by Rootes before production
> was turned
> over to Jensen. They carry serial numbers B382100001 and B382100002
> but no JAL
> numbers. The Jensen run began with B382100100 and ended with ...633.
> See the
> note in the SS Catalog:
>
> MARK II PRODUCTION NUMBERS VARY. CARS WITH
>
> SERIAL # B382100001
>
> AND #B382100002 EXIST WITH NO JAL #â??S (JENSEN ALPINE LTD. BODY #)
>
> WHICH INDICATES THE CARS WERE COMPLETELY ASSEMBLED BY ROOTES,
>
> NEVER GOING TO THE JENSEN PLANT AND MUST HAVE BEEN A PRE-
>
> PRODUCTION PILOT CARS. THE NEXT MK II IS B382100
>
> 100 WHICH CARRIES
>
> A JAL NUMBER, THE FIRST OF THE MK II SERIES.
>
> There were also six (IIRC) MkIA's fitted with the MkII mechanicals
> (289 block, wide-
> ratio trans, modified Watts linkage, etc.) but were badged as MkIA's
> at the end of
> the MkIA run at Jensen.
>
> Tod Brown
> B382002384LRXFE
> TAC 864
>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Ron:<br>
<br>
Interesting. I had a conversation with Norm just recently and he
said just the opposite, that there were a few cars that were built
by Jensen at the end of the MkIA run with all of the changes that
were incorporated on the MkII's just to make sure it would all go
together. Those cars carried the MkIA badging. I made a mistake in
my description in my previous email about the specific changes. I
referred to a Watts linkage rear setup. That was incorrect. I
meant to say Panhard rod, as that was the change incorporated into
the MkII's, as you know.<br>
<br>
I suggested to Norm that it would be a good idea for him to
publish what he knows about the MkII changeover process, but have
not heard anything back from him. As you may know, as the editor
of Rootes Review, I ran an ad for the MkII prototype, B382100002
LRXFE in the June issue past. When I got the info about the car
and the request to run the ad, I was somewhat skeptical since a
lot of the MkII trim was missing, so I contacted Norm. It was the
result of our resultant conversation that he mentioned the MkIA's
with the 289s. I was surprised when he mentioned them because,
like you, I had always believed it to be a myth. However, the
oracle has spoken. If Norm is reading this, I would urge him to
weigh in to settle this.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Tod<br>
<br>
On 7/16/2016 8:39 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:<br>
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I donâ??t believe any Mk 1A originally came with a 289
engine. I see no evidence of anything but the B19KC 260
engine group for the last production Mk 1A. Norm Miller
calls the 289 engine in Mk 1As a myth. It would be nice to
have real evidence to confirm either position.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">My
<b>Original Tiger Engine Study</b> does not contain specific
information for the engines in the last dozen or so Mk 1As
produced. Owners lets change that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">I
will gladly accept and examine engine information for any
original Tiger engine. I have a worksheet that is easy to
fill out â?? just ask for one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Fraser<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Tigers [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Tod Brown via Tigers<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 15, 2016 7:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] MkII VINs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Actually,
there were two MkII's assembled by Rootes before production
was turned <br>
over to Jensen. They carry serial numbers B382100001 and
B382100002 but no JAL<br>
numbers. The Jensen run began with B382100100 and ended with
...633. See the<br>
note in the SS Catalog:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">MARK
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style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">SERIAL
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style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">AND
#B382100002 EXIST WITH NO JAL #â??S (JENSEN ALPINE LTD. BODY
#) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">WHICH
INDICATES THE CARS WERE COMPLETELY ASSEMBLED BY ROOTES,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">NEVER
GOING TO THE JENSEN PLANT AND MUST HAVE BEEN A
PRE-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">PRODUCTION
PILOT CARS. THE NEXT MK II IS B382100<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">100
WHICH CARRIES <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A
JAL NUMBER, THE FIRST OF THE MK II SERIES.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">There were
also six (IIRC) MkIA's fitted with the MkII mechanicals (289
block, wide-<br>
ratio trans, modified Watts linkage, etc.) but were badged
as MkIA's at the end of<br>
the MkIA run at Jensen. <br>
<br>
Tod Brown<br>
B382002384LRXFE<br>
TAC 864 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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