>Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:25:46 -0800
>To: PLRRESTO@aol.com
>From: tiger technologies <tartanad@popd.ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: STOA TAC program
>
>Paul:
>Your comments are well taken. I fully agree with the philosophy behind the
TAC program as evidenced by the fact that I had MY car TAC'd although it is
probably the most documented Tiger ever sold in America. I also see your
point about what you refer to as a "how to" manual. Although I see it as a
primmer on what to look for, you are absolutely correct that it COULD be
used to build an ALGER. But I remain firm in my belief that only someone who
already has an intimate knowledge of the car and is in the
repair/restoration business could successfully build a clone. But you're
right. I bow to your "chicken coop" argument.
>
>I do, however, fervently believe that there should be some directory
listing those cars that are phonies. After all, STOA has only certified 270
plus cars. Norm Miller has thousands listed. With the value of these cars
going up, it is high time that prospective owners have a place to look and
be forewarned about a cloned Tiger.
>
>I also laud Tom Hall's efforts in providing TAC opportunities in the
Seattle area. When will it happen in Southern California where there are a
large gathering of Tigers...and potential owners.
>
>As for the goose poop, according to the marina, they cleaned up 74 pounds
of the stuff after our gathering.
>
>regards,
>jeff/tt
>At 08:40 PM 10/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Tom Hall is correct in his statement of the relationship between Jeff
>>Cushing
>> (and Jan Harde for that matter) and myself. I'm sure many of you have been
>> able to read between the lines in our recent postings. But, although we
>> cannot agree on the amount of goose poop on the lawn at Eureka or who said
>> what about so and so's car, I do believe we at least generally agree on the
>> purposes/goals of the TAC program. It would seem though that Jeff and others
>> do not think TAC has gone far enough. Amazing, since most discussions in the
>> past on this subject were started by people who think that TAC has gone too
>> far. This is why STOA chose to take the middle road and only identify real
>> Tigers. Think about it, if we really wanted to create a list of Algers, we
>> wouldn't be setting up booths at Tigers Uniteds.
>>
>> A few have made comparisons between Norm Miller's Registry and TAC's
>> Authenticated Tiger list; claiming one to be better than the other. Well, I
>> claim them to be quite different. Sure, as Norm would point out, one main
>> difference is that the Registry is published; the TAC list is only on the
>> Web. But there is another main difference, the information on the TAC list
>>is
>> gathered by groups of three trained inspectors inspecting each car. And this
>> has been done for each Tiger on the list. Obviously, this takes a lot of
>> time, money, devoted inspectors, and public support, therefore limiting the
>> scope of our program.
>>
>> On the other hand, Norm's INTERNATIONAL Registry cannot claim this same
>>level
>> of accurracy. I am a stong supporter of the Registry and fully vouch for
>> Norm's expertise in identifying Algers and anything else pertaining to
>> Tigers, but I also realize there is no way he could possibly have first hand
>> knowledge of all the cars in his Registry. As Mr. Williamson has pointed out
>> numerous times, this leaves open the possibility for inaccuracies being
>>added
>> to the Registry. Certainly, uninformed persons might be calling Norm to
>> report conversions when they have little or no knowledge of how to identify
>> one. Conversely, I can imagine a substantial number of owners notifying
>> Norman of the existance of their vehicles, but failing to mention that their
>> car is a fact an Alpine conversion. All and all, Mr. Miller does provide
>>the
>> best and most accurate information he can considering his sources.
>>
>> As to Mr. Cushing's suggestion that TAC or someone publish a manual
>> providing infomation on how to identify an Alger. Well, NO WAY. Then
>>everyone
>> would have an easy step by step manual on how to make an Alpine conversion.
>> Thats kind of like holding the the door of the chicken coup open for the
>>fox.
>> Jeff, What were you thinking?
>>
>> Comments welcome
>>
>> Paul Reisentz
>> STOA TAC Chairman
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>To: tigers@autox.team.com
>>Subject: Re: STOA TAC program
>>
>>All,
>>
>>Tom Hall is correct in his statement of the relationship between Jeff Cushing
>>(and Jan Harde for that matter) and myself. I'm sure many of you have been
>>able to read between the lines in our recent postings. But, although we
>>cannot agree on the amount of goose poop on the lawn at Eureka or who said
>>what about so and so's car, I do believe we at least generally agree on the
>>purposes/goals of the TAC program. It would seem though that Jeff and others
>>do not think TAC has gone far enough. Amazing, since most discussions in the
>>past on this subject were started by people who think that TAC has gone too
>>far. This is why STOA chose to take the middle road and only identify real
>>Tigers. Think about it, if we really wanted to create a list of Algers, we
>>wouldn't be setting up booths at Tigers Uniteds.
>>
>>A few have made comparisons between Norm Miller's Registry and TAC's
>>Authenticated Tiger list; claiming one to be better than the other. Well, I
>>claim them to be quite different. Sure, as Norm would point out, one main
>>difference is that the Registry is published; the TAC list is only on the
>>Web. But there is another main difference, the information on the TAC list is
>>gathered by groups of three trained inspectors inspecting each car. And this
>>has been done for each Tiger on the list. Obviously, this takes a lot of
>>time, money, devoted inspectors, and public support, therefore limiting the
>>scope of our program.
>>
>>On the other hand, Norm's INTERNATIONAL Registry cannot claim this same level
>>of accurracy. I am a stong supporter of the Registry and fully vouch for
>>Norm's expertise in identifying Algers and anything else pertaining to
>>Tigers, but I also realize there is no way he could possibly have first hand
>>knowledge of all the cars in his Registry. As Mr. Williamson has pointed out
>>numerous times, this leaves open the possibility for inaccuracies being added
>>to the Registry. Certainly, uninformed persons might be calling Norm to
>>report conversions when they have little or no knowledge of how to identify
>>one. Conversely, I can imagine a substantial number of owners notifying
>>Norman of the existance of their vehicles, but failing to mention that their
>>car is a fact an Alpine conversion. All and all, Mr. Miller does provide the
>>best and most accurate information he can considering his sources.
>>
>>As to Mr. Cushing's suggestion that TAC or someone publish a manual
>>providing infomation on how to identify an Alger. Well, NO WAY. Then everyone
>>would have an easy step by step manual on how to make an Alpine conversion.
>>Thats kind of like holding the the door of the chicken coup open for the fox.
>>Jeff, What were you thinking?
>>
>>Comments welcome
>>
>>Paul Reisentz
>>STOA TAC Chairman
>>
>>
>>
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