I for one am IMPRESSED.
Brad
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On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:43:37 -0700 "Jeff McNeal" <jmcneal@ohms.com>
writes:
Paul Tegler is not to blame for my earlier rant and I owe him an apology.
I'd also like to explain why I was upset and the misunderstanding that
prompted my ire.
Those of us who provide a great deal of content for the benefit of other
enthusiasts on our sites put in more time than most who don't maintain
websites can imagine. So when you make a considerable investment in time
and effort, only to see the content from your site duplicated and
trumpeted
elsewhere a week later, it can be a very demoralizing and frustrating
experience.
When Calum asked if I could post his outstanding engine building content
to
my site the last week in March, I happily obliged and put a lot of time
in
formatting his text, and was still in the process of improving that
content
for display on my site as this IS a work in progress to which I have
devoted
a fair amount of time. I hadn't announced the availability of this
document
on the lists, because Calum is still working on the final version and I
didn't want to be precipitous. The members and visitors of the Totally
Triumph Garage were well aware of the article on my site, however.
Unbeknowst to me (and this is where the misunderstanding took root),
Calum
had also contacted two other sites a few days later asking for feedback
and
requesting distribution, not realizing that this would be a website faux
pas, in that there is no reason to duplicate the same information across
multiple websites thus requiring various webmasters to devote the time
necessary to host information that is already available. I think we can
all
agree that there is no legitimate reason for two or more websites to be
hosting the same content, particularly when it involves some effort and
wastes resources.
I incorrectly assumed that Paul had seen the content on my site,
contacted
Calum, then used the same content to drum up attention for his site,
which
would have been in very poor form and why I became upset.
In subsequent e-mails with Calum when I expressed my disappointment over
this, I've come to realize that unless Paul had known that the content
was
already published on my site, he should be held completely harmless is
for
the misunderstanding -- indeed, he's obviously put time into formatting
Calum's content as well, and Calum now realizes that he should have
merely
requested a link to the original post of the article, rather than asking
other sites to format and host the same info.
Calum is not to blame for this either, as far as I'm concerned, because
this
IS his content after all, and he was just excited to get the word out as
I'm
sure he is rightly proud of his article, which as I said, is still
evolving.
Not being a webmaster himself, Calum wasn't thinking of the problems this
approach could create.
Paul never acknowledged my comments to him -- at least not to me directly
--
and quite frankly, I don't blame him for probably being justly upset over
this misunderstanding as well. So to Paul and everyone else who was the
unfortunate recipient of my note to him regarding this subject, my humble
and sincere apologies. I thought I was right to be upset, but it turns
out
that unless Paul knew the content already existed on my site (which I now
assume he didn't), I was very wrong to blow a gasket and I am very sorry
for
that. Again, I apologize.
Best wishes,
Jeff McNeal
editor & publisher
TheBIGPictureDVD.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Nelson" <mnelson@tconl.com>
To: "Paul Tegler" <ptegler@cablespeed.com>; "Jeff McNeal"
<jmcneal@ohms.com>; "CARS Spitfires@Autox. Team. Net (E-mail)"
<spitfires@autox.team.net>; <spitfire-enthusiast@egroups.com>;
<triumphs-owner@autox.team.net>; <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: New Spitfire engine performance guide on line
>
> Gentlemen, Paul, Jeff:
>
> Please, put aside the bickering and realize that you both provide a
wealth
> of information for the Triumph enthusiast. I used Paul's site as a
resource
> just last week with my alternator conversion and am indebted to him for
> taking the time to publish the information. Jeff, you know how I feel
about
> your site, and make the TTG a daily stop. I have even had the TTG as
my
> 'home page' on occasion.
>
> My point: Just as our cars are rare and appreciated by a very small
> minority of folks, it is even more rare to find a website that has
useful
> material to reference as well as providing or presenting the
information
in
> an easy to navigate format. I applaud you both. I find your sites,
and
> only a handful of others to be the premier sites for Triumph owners.
I'm
> humbled by your Triumph knowledge, and additionally your ability to
publish
> such a professional appearing site.
>
> I thank you both, and hope you put your creative talents back to work
on
the
> task at hand: TRIUMPH AUTOMOBILES!
>
> Mike Nelson
> Omaha
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-spitfires@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:owner-spitfires@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Paul Tegler
> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:54 AM
> > To: Jeff McNeal; CARS Spitfires@Autox. Team. Net (E-mail);
> > spitfire-enthusiast@egroups.com; triumphs-owner@autox.team.net;
> > triumphs@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: New Spitfire engine performance guide on line
> >
> >
> >
> > This is my second response. to these comments.
> >
> > I prefer not to waste my web space duplicating stuff
> > already avail. on the net I simply place links on my site
> > to let people find that specific material
> >
> > Well why did you wait so long to announce Calums work.
> >
> > I just went and looked to see if I duplicated availability
> > of material.
> >
> > I haven't. Yours (Jeff) is now outdated . Version 1.4 is his
> > older work
> >
> > I published Calum's document version 1.45
> >
> >
> > Paul Tegler ptegler@cablespeed.com
> > www.teglerizer.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff McNeal" <jmcneal@ohms.com>
> > To: "Paul Tegler" <ptegler@cablespeed.com>; "CARS
> > Spitfires@Autox. Team. Net (E-mail)"
> > <spitfires@autox.team.net>;
> > <spitfire-enthusiast@egroups.com>;
> > <triumphs-owner@autox.team.net>; <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: New Spitfire engine performance guide on line
> >
> >
> > > Paul, etc. al
> > >
> > > The author's name is Calum E. Douglas, not Davis. The
> > original, "lengthy"
> > > HTML document can be found on MY site, here:
> > >
> > > http://www.ohms.com/spitfire/engine_building.shtml
> > >
> > > I was waiting to announce the availability of this
> > document on the Spitfire
> > > list (though members and guests of the Totally Triumph
> > Garage have been made
> > > aware of it) as Calum was still working on it and I have
> > been quietly
> > > working on formatting improvements behind he scenes as
> > well. Paul has
> > > apparently seen fit to contact Mr. Douglas and make this
> > announcement, even
> > > though the content was provided to my site first.
> > >
> > > It looks as though Paul has taken it upon himself to
> > "Teglerize" content
> > > originated on another website once again to "make it his
> > own" to promote.
> > > Paul, technically you may have done a nice job, but I
> > think what you've done
> > > here really stinks.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jeff in San Diego
> > >
> > > '67 RHD Spitfire Mk3 aka "Mrs. Jones"
> > > '68 LHD Spitfire Mk3 frame-off resto project
> > > Jeff's Classic '67 Spitfire Mk3 site & Vintage Spitfire
> > Webring
> > > http://www.ohms.com/spitfire/spitfire.shtml
> > > home of the NEW Totally Triumph Auction
> > > "By Triumph enthusiasts, for Triumph enthusiasts"
> > > http://www.ohms.com/cgi-bin/TRauction.cgi
> > > and..The Totally Triumph Garage forums -- moderated,
> > focused, friendly!
> > > http://www.ohms.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi
> > > ...plus a few other surprises!
> > >
> > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > * * * *
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Paul Tegler" <ptegler@cablespeed.com>
> > > To: "CARS Spitfires@Autox. Team. Net (E-mail)"
> > <spitfires@autox.team.net>;
> > > <spitfire-enthusiast@egroups.com>;
> > <triumphs-owner@autox.team.net>;
> > > <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:07 PM
> > > Subject: New Spitfire engine performance guide on line
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Calum Davis has been condensing all the Spitfire
> > > > engine stuff out there into a concise guide for the
> > > > average Spit owner.
> > > >
> > > > I've taken his original, rather lengthy HTML document,
> > > > and with his blessing have reformatted into multiple
> > > > quicker loading pages and included a table of contents,
> > > > preface, and a few other formatting items. A few
> > > > navigational
> > > > JavaScript aides were added as well, and am now happy
> > > > to present to the list for comments.
> > > >
> > http://www.teglerizer.com/triumphstuff/engineguide/index.htm
> > > > l
> > > >
> > > > Paul Tegler ptegler@cablespeed.com
> > > > www.teglerizer.com
>
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