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If you do end up going with cat-5e, I used this crimper with great
results when I installed a set of POE security cameras. Comes with a
tester to verify the cable. I had some runs longer than the premade
cables and bought a box of 500' cat-5e cable. Wow have cable prices
jumped in the last year. I thought I paid about $30 for the cable at
Home Depot and now it is $72. It is pretty easy to make your own cables
if you pull the wire.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078S55WML/
On 4/12/2022 7:47 PM, john niolon wrote:
> peter...//Â I want enough to search the net, watch a video on
> YouTube...just general access... no streaming or heavy
> downloads/uploads... I got dial up speeds now
> and some of these suggestions are way above my budget for garage
> access...  I just thought powerline might be a reasonably cheap
> alternative to cat-5
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* Peter Murray <peterwmurray@gmail.com>
> *To:* john niolon <jniolon@att.net>, Shop-Talk List
> <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* 4/11/2022 9:40:56 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> John-
>
> How much bandwidth do you want in your shop?
>
> I have used network-over-powerline adapters for quite a while now,
> and have had good success with them. I have an outbuilding/home
> office about 200' from my house, and those adapters provided a
> very serviceable connection between the outbuilding and the house
> (about 25Mbit). As others have pointed out, you'll have best luck
> with them with them both operating on the same hot leg of your
> 240V split-phase power. It can be hit or miss, but a pair of
> "2000Mbit" units isn't terribly expensive. I wouldn't be surprised
> in the least if you find they work just fine for you. I would
> connect one of them to an available LAN ethernet ports (likely on
> your router) and the other (in the shop) in a convenient outlet.
> You can get versions that have built in PoE (for an access point,
> perhaps), or you can adapt another router/AP to simply provide
> wifi in the shop. There are also network-over-power/AP combo units
> as well. Don't forget that the network-over-powerline units don't
> operate in pairs - you can place several wherever you need them,
> and they'll act like additional ethernet ports. I like the TP-Link
> gear, and units with a pass-through power port and a couple of
> ports are wicked handy.
>
> In my situation, I do have clear line of sight and have "upgraded"
> from the network-over-power units to a Ubiquiti mesh link, which
> yields about 150-200Mbit of actual throughput. If you are truly
> only 300' from one building to the other, I think you'll not have
> any trouble linking the two locations using 5GHz wireless. The
> trees will attenuate, but you can focus the power available to
> increase your link budget and "burn through" the vegetation. I'd
> look at a pair of Ubiquiti LiteBeam Gen2 units (pretty cheap on
> Amazon
>
> <https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-LBE-5AC-GEN2-US-LiteBeam-Wireless-Bridge/dp/B06Y2JH7PV?th=1>)
> - they'll get you somewhere around 250-300Mbit of throughput with
> 80MHz channel usage. Narrower channel usage will yield better
> reliability if that balance needs to be struck. They have about a
> 12 degree beamwidth, so they're pretty forgiving with your aim,
> but the available power is focused where you want it.
>
> When I installed 60A/240V service in my tiny outbuilding, I had
> the service run in plastic conduit - but - for reasons that escape
> me right now - didn't run any fiber. I regret that, and intend to
> order a pre-made 6-strand OS3 fiber cable and pull it through this
> summer. I'll light it up at 1Gbit (for the moment). With LC
> connectors on each end of the fiber, the ethernet switches and
> mini-GBIC units needed to turn it into conventional copper
> ethernet are cheap, and I don't worry about my ham radio RF or
> lightning strikes acting on a big copper ethernet line like an
> antenna. LANShack is who I'm looking at for the fiber, by the way.
>
> If you're not averse to running a copper cable, 330' is your
> ethernet maximum (100m). If you go that route, I'd go with Cat6,
> and I'd put it in flexible conduit, guessing that you don't
> already have conduit in place. You don't really even need to worry
> about putting it below the frost line - goodness knows that Cox
> (our local coax cable company) and Verizon FiOS don't. That said,
> I would suggest calling your local utility marking outfit before
> you dig.
>
> Happy to talk further!
>
> -Peter (independent IT guy, radio amateur)
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 6:02 PM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to get some 'reliable' internet service to my
> unattached shop building... just a shade too far for cable
> access (just under 300 feet of cable)Â and too many obstacles
> for wireless
> \even with an extender... looking at powerline units... two
> boxes...modem plugs into one and it plugs into 120 v
> plug...other box plugs into any other plug on same
> breaker box and the laptop plugs into it with cat-5-cable..
> anyone have any experienced with this type service ??
> example:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/275159414599?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110018%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.COMPLISTINGS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D238115%26meid%3D9d4234b8cade433b81c8265e84d81de8%26pid%3D101196%26rk%3D10%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D265638365047%26itm%3D275159414599%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DItemStripV101HighAdFeeWithCompV3Ranker%26brand%3DNETGEAR&_trksid=p2047675.c101196.m2219&amdata=cksum%3A2751594145999d4234b8cade433b81c8265e84d81de8%7Cenc%3AAQAGAAABAMwaiCkD4Jz%252FAA1ytZhxVAzuCsqdmLW9ojO6k7lKEs76vKeVo8baO64duoLIjpcgMP90FFiVgMKbdjh7IgvEI%252BQJgW4gEnxkDA5yYEh7wlEj%252FSuKUyH0RJbKQh7dzMgt%252BJRsfe1bI7Jq%252BzI1fyQLcD4HuL%252FMQUHFh10KutrC3t3VJZoR0sVMt6IDKUo7JSyE07Tq52Ka8iPzC9czJ30Nj43ezZTHfxDa3MVT0chETDN2ahqtYKn1MU6wPLlb5sYl6h8pA6VP72FCgmJMYEVr0A8gmzhmomEh75XqFQfAefFiX4hPo%252BiZmySE8%252Bh4nUWX3cDN7k4ixdEcXiYyvMaWhsA%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2047675&epid=1186426581
>
> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/275159414599?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110018%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.COMPLISTINGS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D238115%26meid%3D9d4234b8cade433b81c8265e84d81de8%26pid%3D101196%26rk%3D10%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D265638365047%26itm%3D275159414599%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DItemStripV101HighAdFeeWithCompV3Ranker%26brand%3DNETGEAR&_trksid=p2047675.c101196.m2219&amdata=cksum%3A2751594145999d4234b8cade433b81c8265e84d81de8%7Cenc%3AAQAGAAABAMwaiCkD4Jz%252FAA1ytZhxVAzuCsqdmLW9ojO6k7lKEs76vKeVo8baO64duoLIjpcgMP90FFiVgMKbdjh7IgvEI%252BQJgW4gEnxkDA5yYEh7wlEj%252FSuKUyH0RJbKQh7dzMgt%252BJRsfe1bI7Jq%252BzI1fyQLcD4HuL%252FMQUHFh10KutrC3t3VJZoR0sVMt6IDKUo7JSyE07Tq52Ka8iPzC9czJ30Nj43ezZTHfxDa3MVT0chETDN2ahqtYKn1MU6wPLlb5sYl6h8pA6VP72FCgmJMYEVr0A8gmzhmomEh75XqFQfAefFiX4hPo%252BiZmySE8%252Bh4nUWX3cDN7k4ixdEcXiYyvMaWhsA%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2047675&epid=1186426581>
> thanks
> john
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If you do end up going with cat-5e, I used this crimper with great
results when I installed a set of POE security cameras. Comes with
a tester to verify the cable. I had some runs longer than the
premade cables and bought a box of 500' cat-5e cable. Wow have
cable prices jumped in the last year. I thought I paid about $30
for the cable at Home Depot and now it is $72. It is pretty easy to
make your own cables if you pull the wire.<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078S55WML/";>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078S55WML/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/12/2022 7:47 PM, john niolon
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:1UbnhAVRqh.EFwSw7Gk8IT@johns-desktop">
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<div><font face="Segoe UI">peter...<em>Â </em>Â I want enough to
search the net, watch a video on YouTube...just general
access... no streaming or heavy downloads/uploads... I got
dial up speeds now </font></div>
<div><font face="Segoe UI">and some of these suggestions are way
above my budget for garage access...  I just thought
powerline might be a reasonably cheap alternative to
cat-5</font></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>Â </div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR:
#000000"><b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR:
#000000"><b>From:</b> Peter Murray <<a
href="mailto:peterwmurray@gmail.com"; moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">peterwmurray@gmail.com</a>></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR:
#000000"><b>To:</b> john niolon <<a
href="mailto:jniolon@att.net"; moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jniolon@att.net</a>>,
Shop-Talk List <<a href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>></div>
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#000000"><b>Sent:</b> 4/11/2022 9:40:56 PM</div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR:
#000000"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet</div>
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medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; COLOR: #ccc;
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<div dir="ltr">John-
<div><br>
</div>
<div>How much bandwidth do you want in your shop?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have used network-over-powerline adapters for quite a
while now, and have had good success with them. I have an
outbuilding/home office about 200' from my house, and those
adapters provided a very serviceable connection between the
outbuilding and the house (about 25Mbit). As others have
pointed out, you'll have best luck with them with them both
operating on the same hot leg of your 240V split-phase
power. It can be hit or miss, but a pair of "2000Mbit" units
isn't terribly expensive. I wouldn't be surprised in the
least if you find they work just fine for you. I would
connect one of them to an available LAN ethernet ports
(likely on your router) and the other (in the shop) in a
convenient outlet. You can get versions that have built in
PoE (for an access point, perhaps), or you can adapt another
router/AP to simply provide wifi in the shop. There are also
network-over-power/AP combo units as well. Don't forget that
the network-over-powerline units don't operate in pairs -
you can place several wherever you need them, and they'll
act like additional ethernet ports. I like the TP-Link gear,
and units with a pass-through power port and a couple of
ports are wicked handy.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>In my situation, I do have clear line of sight and have
"upgraded" from the network-over-power units to a Ubiquiti
mesh link, which yields about 150-200Mbit of actual
throughput. If you are truly only 300' from one building
to the other, I think you'll not have any trouble linking
the two locations using 5GHz wireless. The trees will
attenuate, but you can focus the power available to
increase your link budget and "burn through" the
vegetation. I'd look at a pair of Ubiquiti LiteBeam Gen2
units (pretty cheap on <a
href="https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-LBE-5AC-GEN2-US-LiteBeam-Wireless-Bridge/dp/B06Y2JH7PV?th=1";
moz-do-not-send="true">Amazon</a>) - they'll get you
somewhere around 250-300Mbit of throughput with 80MHz
channel usage. Narrower channel usage will yield better
reliability if that balance needs to be struck. They have
about a 12 degree beamwidth, so they're pretty forgiving
with your aim, but the available power is focused where
you want it.</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>When I installed 60A/240V service in my tiny outbuilding,
I had the service run in plastic conduit - but - for reasons
that escape me right now - didn't run any fiber. I regret
that, and intend to order a pre-made 6-strand OS3 fiber
cable and pull it through this summer. I'll light it up at
1Gbit (for the moment). With LC connectors on each end of
the fiber, the ethernet switches and mini-GBIC units needed
to turn it into conventional copper ethernet are cheap, and
I don't worry about my ham radio RF or lightning strikes
acting on a big copper ethernet line like an antenna.
LANShack is who I'm looking at for the fiber, by the way.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you're not averse to running a copper cable, 330' is
your ethernet maximum (100m). If you go that route, I'd go
with Cat6, and I'd put it in flexible conduit, guessing that
you don't already have conduit in place. You don't really
even need to worry about putting it below the frost line -
goodness knows that Cox (our local coax cable company) and
Verizon FiOS don't. That said, I would suggest calling your
local utility marking outfit before you dig.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Happy to talk further!<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Peter (independent IT guy, radio amateur)</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 6:02
PM john niolon <<a href="mailto:jniolon@att.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jniolon@att.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
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BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px
0.8ex">
<div>
<div><font face="Segoe UI">I'm trying to get some
'reliable' internet service to my unattached shop
building... just a shade too far for cable accessÂ
(just under 300 feet of cable)Â and too many obstacles
for wireless</font></div>
<div><font face="Segoe UI">\even with an extender...
looking at powerline units... two boxes...modem plugs
into one and it plugs into 120 v plug...other box
plugs into any other plug on same</font></div>
<div><font face="Segoe UI">breaker box and the laptop
plugs into it with cat-5-cable..  </font></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div><font face="Segoe UI">anyone have any experienced
with this type service ??</font></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div><font face="Segoe UI">example:</font></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div><font face="Segoe UI"><a
href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/275159414599?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110018%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.COMPLISTINGS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D238115%26meid%3D9d4234b8cade433b81c8265e84d81de8%26pid%3D101196%26rk%3D10%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D265638365047%26itm%3D275159414599%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DItemStripV101HighAdFeeWithCompV3Ranker%26brand%3DNETGEAR&_trksid=p2047675.c101196.m2219&amdata=cksum%3A2751594145999d4234b8cade433b81c8265e84d81de8%7Cenc%3AAQAGAAABAMwaiCkD4Jz%252FAA1ytZhxVAzuCsqdmLW9ojO6k7lKEs76vKeVo8baO64duoLIjpcgMP90FFiVgMKbdjh7IgvEI%252BQJgW4gEnxkDA5yYEh7wlEj%252FSuKUyH0RJbKQh7dzMgt%252BJRsfe1bI7Jq%252BzI1fyQLcD4HuL%252FMQUHFh10KutrC3t3VJZoR0sVMt6IDKUo7JSyE07Tq52Ka8iPzC9czJ30Nj43ezZTHfxDa3MVT0chETDN2ahqtYKn1MU6wPLlb5sYl6h8pA6VP72FCgmJMYEVr0A8gmzhmomEh75XqFQfAefFiX4hPo%252BiZmySE8%252Bh4nUWX3cDN7k4ixdEcXiYyvMaWhsA%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2047675&epid=1186426581";
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ebay.com/itm/275159414599?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110018%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.COMPLISTINGS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D238115%26meid%3D9d4234b8cade433b81c8265e84d81de8%26pid%3D101196%26rk%3D10%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D265638365047%26itm%3D275159414599%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DItemStripV101HighAdFeeWithCompV3Ranker%26brand%3DNETGEAR&_trksid=p2047675.c101196.m2219&amdata=cksum%3A2751594145999d4234b8cade433b81c8265e84d81de8%7Cenc%3AAQAGAAABAMwaiCkD4Jz%252FAA1ytZhxVAzuCsqdmLW9ojO6k7lKEs76vKeVo8baO64duoLIjpcgMP90FFiVgMKbdjh7IgvEI%252BQJgW4gEnxkDA5yYEh7wlEj%252FSuKUyH0RJbKQh7dzMgt%252BJRsfe1bI7Jq%252BzI1fyQLcD4HuL%252FMQUHFh10KutrC3t3VJZoR0sVMt6IDKUo7JSyE07Tq52Ka8iPzC9czJ30Nj43ezZTHfxDa3MVT0chETDN2ahqtYKn1MU6wPLlb5sYl6h8pA6VP72FCgmJMYEVr0A8gmzhmomEh75XqFQfAefFiX4hPo%252BiZmySE8%252Bh4nUWX3cDN7k4ixdEcXiYyvMaWhsA%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2047675&epid=1186426581</a></font></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div><font face="Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
<div><font face="Segoe UI">john</font></div>
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