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Re: [Shop-talk] Dangerous tool gloat

To: "John Innis" <jdinnis@gmail.com>, "shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dangerous tool gloat
From: "john niolon" <jniolon@bham.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:02:31 -0500
and who's got time to do this ????   you guys must have easy jobs !!!!!
if ya'll are looking for something to fill up your time... I've got a '53 
f-100
frame and cab that need block sanding...

john



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Innis" <jdinnis@gmail.com>
To: "Nolan" <opposumking@verizon.net>
Cc: "Shop Talk List" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dangerous tool gloat


>A framing nail has more mass than a bullet from a .223 rifle.  The
> velocity is the deciding factor.  The .223 round is doing about
> 2000fps when it hits you.  I have not chronographed a nail (yet) but I
> am guessing it is less than 500fps when it leaves the nail gun.  It
> would be interesting to get a mythbusters style experiment set up.
> Use balistics gel and create an uber-nailgun that can get some decent
> velocity on them.  Then compare the damage from a .223 FMJ to a
> framing nail at similar velocity.
>
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:57 AM, Nolan <opposumking@verizon.net> wrote:
>> A nail from a nail gun can poke holes in you, but is unlikely to kill 
>> you,
>> in my opinion.
>>
>> A nail has little mass, so it doesn't carry much inertia.  That means 
>> it's
>> got weak power to penetrate when flung.  We've all seen this when we've
>> gotten sloppy and let our nailer bounce or sit off the surface.  The nail
>> sits proud of the wood.  This lack of inertia will rapidly grow worse 
>> with
>> distance from the nail gun.
>>
>> Nails also have no expansion.  So the trauma one sees from a bullet would
>> not take place.  At the most, they will poke a hole.  Not that a hole is
>> pleasant mind you, or inherently non-lethal.  A bow kills this way, by
>> shooting an arrow that pokes a hole, but the hole must be deep.  Due to a
>> nails lack of inertia, the hole is not likely to be deep.
>>
>> The velocity is low, compared to a bullet.  So hydroshock (another form 
>> of
>> tissue damage) would not take place.  Doubly so due to the pointed end of 
>> a
>> nail.
>>
>> So, a nail shot from a nail gun, at very close range, aimed at the chest,
>> not striking a rib, could well penetrate deeply enough to poke the heart 
>> and
>> possibly result in your death.  Otherwise, you're going to scream and 
>> curse,
>> but survive.  My opinion and speculation only.
>>
>> As a sidebar to nail stability, I've watched nails shot from nail guns 
>> (we
>> used to have shooting competitions with them at a place I worked), they 
>> do
>> not tumble.  They tend to continue straight quite nicely for their 
>> travel.
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