Those Jag suspensions are something else. There was a guy selling them in the
swap meet at the NSRA Nationals this year in Louisville. The four bolts that
hold that system in look to be pretty hefty.
Just in case there's a misunderstanding here... I don't think of bolt on
systems as "unsafe", I just feel that welding them on makes them safer. If the
factory designs a bolt on system it's generally been very thoroughly tested.
That may or may not be the case with an aftermarket system, and personally I'd
rather error on the safe side if at all possible.
Bill Whittaker
'53 3100 Hemi
Built Like A Rock
With Mopar Stock
-----Original Message-----
From: BORDER,RYAN (HP-FtCollins,ex1) [mailto:ryan_border@hp.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:03 PM
To: 'Old Trucks'
Subject: RE: [oletrucks] RE: IFS, but not to open any can or worms again
FWIW, my Jaguar ('59 MK1) front suspension is held in essentially with 4
bolts. Two carriage bolts at the rear hold the rear mounts to the chassis.
Two studs at the front of the suspension cross-member protrude through the
front mounts and have nuts spun onto the end. It hasn't fallen off yet- but
when those 4 mounts start to deteriorate, things can get a little...
interesting. As you keep an eye on the integrety of the 4 rubber-sandwich
mounts, I don't think of the system as unsafe.
There are 4 more bolts holding the sway bar to the chassis, a few nuts
securing brake lines, and a bolt at the steering linkage; which all have to
be removed if you intend to drop the cross-member, but they really don't
play into connecting the chassis to the suspension.
You can see a picture of my suspension, dropped out from under the car at:
http://www.jag-lovers.org/saloons/ryan/suspension.html
I gave very serious consideration to using a very similar (Jaguar MKX)
suspension on my truck. Coupled with an IRS from the same, I think you'd
have an awfully smooth ride.
Ryan.
-----Original Message-----
From: Whittaker Bill G Civ ASC/SMY [mailto:Bill.Whittaker@wpafb.af.mil]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:58 AM
To: 'Old Trucks'
Subject: FW: [oletrucks] RE: IFS, but not to open any can or worms again
Heidts Superide suspension uses Ford geometry. The only difference is that
the control arms are tubular and this design allows them to eliminate the
strut rods. The crossmember is the exact same crossmember that is supplied
with their economy Mustang II kits. Therefore the geometry is the same.
Heidts knows enough not to mess with a proven system.
The "bolt on" suspension on your '62 is held on by 7 bolts per side...
That's at least three per side more than most Mustang II bolt on kits... I
wonder why GM would have used so many more bolts... could it be because it's
safer? Hmmmmmm.
Bill Whittaker
'53 3100 Hemi
Built Like A Rock
With Mopar Stock
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Simmons [mailto:tasimmons@cbnn.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 8:37 PM
To: Whittaker Bill G Civ ASC/SMY; 'Old Trucks'
Subject: Re: [oletrucks] RE: IFS, but not to open any can or worms again
Allright, I have to reply to this. If you look at Heidts "Superide"
suspension,
#1. It is claimed to be better than their Mustang ll kit!
#2. It uses no Mustang ll parts.
#3. It doesn't say where the geometry for this crossmember comes from or how
they came up with the geometry for this crossmember.
Now----- does this mean it is inferior? Oh, and by the way even though I
would probably go with a weld on crossmember, my stock suspension on my 1962
Chevy 1/2 ton is only bolted on with 7 bolts on each side. And Chevy
designed it to be used as a truck!!!!! Seems to have been good enough for
them. HMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!
Don Simmons
----- Original Message -----
From: "Whittaker Bill G Civ ASC/SMY" <Bill.Whittaker@wpafb.af.mil>
To: "'Old Trucks'" <oletrucks@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:58 AM
Subject: [oletrucks] RE: IFS, but not to open any can or worms again
> While you're checking him out... Ask him who's geometry he uses. Just
because he chooses to manufacture IFS systems with GM parts doesn't mean he
uses GM geometry just like a lot of guys making Mustang II systems don't
completely use Ford's geometry. (No, I'm not going to disguise the word.)
There's nothing on Jim Meyer's web site that tells you anything about his
geometry except to say it's "correct". Also he has at least one kit that
has an adjustment to eliminate bump steer. It's always been my experience
that if the suspension geometry was correct in the first place this isn't a
problem. This adjustment could be necessary for just one application, I
don't know. But it is something to take into consideration when evaluating
suppliers, especially ones who's engineering your going to trust your life
to.
>
> I'll say this again... I'm not picking on Jim Meyer's products perse'...
what I am saying is thoroughly investigate whatever system you're interested
in and make your own decision. There's a bunch of manufacturers out there
making similar claims and many of them are short on design and long on
pretty words and pictures. If Jim Meyers makes a system that looks good to
you, and your satisfied with his engineering and geometry, then go for it.
>
> Bill Whittaker
> '53 3100 Hemi
> Built Like A Rock
> With Mopar Stock
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian _ [mailto:pkupman57@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 1:24 AM
> To: oletrucks@autox.team.net
> Subject: [oletrucks] IFS, but not to open any can or worms again
>
>
> well, today i was looking though my magazines for some things i need to
> order to get the body of my jeep done, and while i was looking through my
> december 1999 issue of Petersons Custom Classic Trucks, i found in the
back,
> right under a Classic Tube ad, a ad for Jim Meyer raceing products. it
would
> be a 4" x 4.5" ad with the address and phone number. apparently hes got 12
> different kinds of set ups along with air ride suspension things for
them,..
> the "perfect fit for your truck" that someone mentioned earlier apparently
> means he's got cross members and other componets that are direct
> replacements for TF trucks. which means hes atleast dont SOME measureing
and
> figureing with thos frames to be able to manufacture and sell components
for
> these trucks,.... personally, im going to check him out,. ive always
wanted
> to keep my stock I-beam, but a kit that uses all chevy front end parts,...
> hummmmm. sure as hell beats ford, oh excuse me, f**d, parts
> just my 2 cents.
> Brian M
> Atwater, CA
> '57 Chevy 3200
> '89 Chevy Silverado
> '46 Willys CJ-2A
> '00 Dodge Neon
>
> wish list
> TF 1.5--2 ton flat bed
>
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