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Clausager: Screwed until 1970 then riveted.
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, 20:49 Max Heim, <mvheim@sonic.net> wrote:
> Yeah, you can see the VIN plate Barney shows is identical to the early MG=
B
> plate, with the same type of screw. Note that the screw heads are not
> painted body color, since they are affixed after the body is painted. The=
y
> seem to have been black, although the originals are generally rusty.
>
> There are rivets on the engine number plate, but that=E2=80=99s a differe=
nt issue
> =E2=80=94 those rivets can't be used in sheet metal.
>
> There may be pop rivets on the body number tag, but there is no point in
> removing these tags, since they are painted with the body.
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
> On Nov 11, 2024, at 11:02=E2=80=AFAM, lon1950@me.com wrote:
>
> When in doubt trust Barney.
> https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/buying/buy101d.htm
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Max Heim <
> mvheim@sonic.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 11, 2024 12:02 PM
> *To:* dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>
> *Cc:* mgs@autox.team.net <mgs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] rivets or ?
>
> I=E2=80=99m pretty sure they used small roundhead Phillips screws. That=
=E2=80=99s what is
> used on early MGBs.
>
> They didn=E2=80=99t rivet the VIN tag until it became a Federal requireme=
nt in
> January 1969.
>
> This image shows the type of screw used in 66-67, at least (although I
> believe this VIN tag is actually a fake, but that=E2=80=99s neither here =
nor there).
>
> <IMG_0126.jpg>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
> On Nov 11, 2024, at 9:28=E2=80=AFAM, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wro=
te:
>
> I=E2=80=99m about to install the serial number/vin/etc plates on my 58 MG=
A.
> What=E2=80=99s the best way to do that?
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Clausager: Screwed until 1970 then riveted.</p>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon=
, 11 Nov 2024, 20:49 Max Heim, <<a href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.net";>mvhe=
im@sonic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div st=
yle=3D"line-break:after-white-space">Yeah, you can see the VIN plate Barney=
shows is identical to the early MGB plate, with the same type of screw. No=
te that the screw heads are not painted body color, since they are affixed =
after the body is painted. They seem to have been black, although the origi=
nals are generally rusty.<div><br></div><div>There are rivets on the engine=
number plate, but that=E2=80=99s a different issue =E2=80=94 those rivets =
can't be used in sheet metal.</div><div><br></div><div>There may be pop=
rivets on the body number tag, but there is no point in removing these tag=
s, since they are painted with the body.</div><div><br id=3D"m_710908456482=
2706827lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div>
--<br>Max Heim<br>'66 MGB
</div>
<div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Nov 11, 2024, at 11:02=E2=80=AFA=
M, <a href=3D"mailto:lon1950@me.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">l=
on1950@me.com</a> wrote:</div><br><div><div style=3D"font-style:normal;font=
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e;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);margin:0px;font-family:=
Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">When in doubt trust Barney.</d=
iv><div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400=
;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norm=
al;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;text-align:left;background-color:r=
gb(255,255,255);margin:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:12pt"><a href=3D"https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/buying/buy101d.htm"; id=3D"m_=
7109084564822706827OWA0eb43785-c41d-dc35-dbb0-6889d47c00c1" title=3D"https:=
//mgaguru.com/mgtech/buying/buy101d.htm" style=3D"margin:0px" target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/buying/buy101d.htm</a></=
div><div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:40=
0;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:non=
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bri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div id=3D"m_71090845648=
22706827appendonsend" style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;font-styl=
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t-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;lett=
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idth:667.375px"><span style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;font-styl=
e:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;tex=
t-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s=
pacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important"></span=
><div id=3D"m_7109084564822706827divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-f=
amily:Verdana;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;fon=
t-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-tr=
ansform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><fon=
t face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b><span>=
=C2=A0</span>Mgs <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf=
of Max Heim <<a href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">mvheim@sonic.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>=
Monday, November 11, 2024 12:02 PM<br><b>To:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>dave nor=
thrup <<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer">dave@ranteer.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D=
"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs@autox.=
team.net</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" re=
l=3D"noreferrer">mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span>=C2=A0<=
/span>Re: [Mgs] rivets or ?</font><div>=C2=A0</div></div><div style=3D"font=
-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f=
ont-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-=
transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;lin=
e-break:after-white-space">I=E2=80=99m pretty sure they used small roundhea=
d Phillips screws. That=E2=80=99s what is used on early MGBs.<div><br></div=
><div>They didn=E2=80=99t rivet the VIN tag until it became a Federal requi=
rement in January 1969.</div><div><br></div><div>This image shows the type =
of screw used in 66-67, at least (although I believe this VIN tag is actual=
ly a fake, but that=E2=80=99s neither here nor there).</div><div><br></div>=
<div><span id=3D"m_7109084564822706827cid:D919A4D3-783F-43E3-9F7C-D9D8FD828=
EE5"><IMG_0126.jpg></span><br id=3D"m_7109084564822706827x_lineBreakA=
tBeginningOfMessage"><div>--<br>Max Heim<br>'66 MGB<span>=C2=A0</span><=
/div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Nov 11, 2024, at 9:28=E2=80=
=AFAM, dave northrup <<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">dave@ranteer.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div s=
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ion:none"><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif"><span>I=E2=80=99m about to install the serial number/vin/etc plates =
on my 58 MGA.=C2=A0 What=E2=80=99s the best way to do that?</span></div></d=
iv><span style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font=
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