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Re: [Mgs] early 5 main mgb engine/starter

To: Larry Colen <lrc@red4est.com>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] early 5 main mgb engine/starter
From: Max Heim <mvheim@sonic.net>
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2024 23:01:12 -0400
Cc: Mgs@autox.team.net
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Larry took the words right out of my mouth â?? his description could scarcely 
be improved. I got so disgusted with the Bendix starter chewing up its pinion 
and consequently chewing up the flywheel that I went looking for a 4-synchro 
trans to swap in (since I was replacing the flywheel anyway). Finding an OD 
trans made it a win-win.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 8, 2024, at 7:26 PM, Larry Colen <lrc@red4est.com> wrote:
> 
> There's always "percussive" maintenance.  :-)
> 
> It sounds like the inny-outie thingy-bobber is getting stuck.  Maybe take it 
> out, and if the little gearjobber isn't moving freely, clean and lube it.  On 
> the other hand if the motor isn't spinning fast enough it might not be 
> throwing the gearjobber out far enough to engage with the flywheel.
> 
> On second thought, this is probably too technical, never mind me, and pay 
> attention to the guys that actually know what they're talking about.
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2024, at 3:25 PM, Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dave,
>>    There are two types of starters that could be on your engine.  
>>    Early, like those on MGA, were Bendix-type, in which the inertia of the 
>> pinion caused it to unwind on starter motor shaft. It unwound on the coarse 
>> threads until the pinion meshed with teeth on the ring gear, then it stopped 
>> unwinding and the starter turned Bendix gear and the ring gear to start the 
>> engine.
>>    Later starters were called â??pre-engagedâ??. In these, power from 
>> starter switch moved the electromagnet in the starter solenoid which has a 
>> lever that moves the pinion into engagement with the ring gear, then the 
>> solenoid powers the starter, which turns the gear and ring gear.
>>    If your starter is a cylinder, only a cylinder, like the cylinder-shape 
>> of the dynamo, it is Bendix type. If it has not been used in 18 months, it 
>> is possible that the Bendix gear is hanging on a tiny bit of rust on the 
>> coarse threads, so the Bendix is not turning the ring gear.   Disassemble, 
>> clean the threads, use a dry lubricant like teflon or graphite, and it 
>> should work as new. 
>>    If it is the later type, which you can identify by a smaller cylinder 
>> mounted on the starter, in line with its shaft, yours is pre-engaged.  You 
>> say the starter spins, so it is probably OK, the problem being 
>> non-engagement.  I would check again for free movement of the pinion. Iâ??ve 
>> never faced this with a pre-engaged, but I donâ??t rule that out.
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jun 8, 2024, at 1:33â?¯PM, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Early 5 main mgb engine in a 58 mga.  Received in kit form; been working on 
>>> this thing for 18 months. 
>>> 
>>> I think the conclusion is pretty obvious; just looking for confirmation.
>>> 
>>> The starter would turn the engine over, then just spin.  Wait until it 
>>> stops, try again.  Usually after a few tries the engine would start.
>>> 
>>> Now it just spins.  Was that a sign that the starter was going?  Is it now 
>>> gone?  And doesnâ??t activate the gear so the engine doesnâ??t turn over?
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