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Ethanol makes big Agra happy=3D more political donations.
My back g Healey was built in 1976. Have replaced my hoses and rebuilt my
carbs twice.
I just had all fuel hoses replaced and top of carbs rebuilt before refiring
the engine on my 67B
I give my Healey low lead Aviation gas every so often, but try to run
ethanol free high test. Will do the same with the B .
I don't drive either one enough to burn the valve seats.
Happy motoring.
Our driver season is nearing its end. I hope the B will extend it with
roll up windows.
Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster
On Fri, Sep 22, 2023, 5:18 PM dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
> The biggest concern about ethanol is that it absorbs water over time and
> degrades. See this article:
> https://www.goldeagle.com/tips-tools/what-are-the-effects-of-ethanol-in-g=
asoline-and-how-to-protect-your-engines-against-it/
>
>
>
> Also, it may or may not be an improvement from an environmental standpoin=
t
> given the energy, land requirements, fertilizer, etc, required to plant,
> grow, harvest, and process the corn.
>
>
>
> https://www.treehugger.com/the-pros-and-cons-of-ethanol-fuel-1203777
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Max Heim
> *Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2023 10:27 AM
> *To:* mglist <mgs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Petrol
>
>
>
> I think most of the concern about ethanol is misplaced, or at least
> exaggerated.
>
>
>
> One, who still has 50-year-old rubber parts in their engine? These
> expendable components have all been replaced multiple times at this point=
,
> and all the replacement hoses have been ethanol-compatible for a decade a=
t
> least.
>
>
>
> Two, all California fuel has contained ethanol for a long time. That=E2=
=80=99s a
> test involving 40 million vehicles, and probably one million vintage and
> antique vehicles, including my stable of 2 or 3. I have never noticed any
> bad effects from fuels containing up to 10% ethanol.
>
>
>
> It seems to me that the people who are always warning about the =E2=80=9C=
dangers=E2=80=9D
> of ethanol are the same people who never use it; that is, that have no
> personal experience.
>
>
>
> --
> Max Heim
> mvheim@sonic.net
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2023, at 2:54 AM, <h.duinhoven@planet.nl> <
> h.duinhoven@planet.nl> wrote:
>
>
>
> It is not for the octane grade only, that premium fuel is the best choice=
.
>
> It is best to avoid ethanol additions as much as possible.
> In the Netherlands we still can choose between 5% or 10% ethanol.
> Premium fuel 5% is the best and offers the least chance of damaging the
> old type of fuel lines - hoses and gaskets in the carburettors.
> It also offers 98% octane, which had the least chance of pings.
> The final advantage of 5% ethanol is, that this fuel has a higher energy
> content, which gives a better mpg figure.
> So it is worth while to make the best choice.
> I even use 5% ethanol premium fuel in my daily driver Mazda 6, which give=
s
> a nice fuel economy and a clean fuel system.
>
> Cheers, Hans
> No BGT anymore - just enjoying MG news
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> Namens Paul Hunt
> Verzonden: donderdag 21 september 2023 09:47
> Aan: mgs@autox.team.net
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Petrol
>
> As already said if you have a low compression engine then lower octane
> should be fine. If high compression then you will get the benefit of
> better performance and economy with higher octane. Low ethanol is better
> in both cases.
>
> Because the fuel today is so different to when these cars were first
> produced the original timing specs are no longer relevant. If you get
> pinking then back off the timing until you don't at any combination of
> throttle opening, revs and load. With high compression and high octane t=
ry
> advancing bit by bit until you get pinking, then back off a bit till you
> don't.
>
> You are less likely to get pinking on low compression even with low octan=
e
> fuel, so if you can run the book figures for timing without pinking then =
do
> so. You might get a bit better by advancing, but you can advance so far
> that it stalls the starter but still doesn't pink. That's obviously too f=
ar.
>
> PaulH.
>
> On 20/09/2023 16:32, i erbs wrote:
>
> I just got my B running for the first time and have a newbie question.
> I have looked online and got confusing answers.
> What grade petrol do I use? Must I use premium grade? Can I use regular?
> Thanks.
>
> Ira Erbs
> Milwaukie, OR
> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
> 1967 MGB Roadster
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Ethanol makes big Agra happy=3D more political donat=
ions.</div><div dir=3D"auto">My back g Healey was built in 1976. Have repla=
ced my hoses and rebuilt my carbs twice.</div><div dir=3D"auto">I just had =
all fuel hoses replaced and top of carbs rebuilt before refiring the engine=
on my 67B=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">I give my Healey low lead Aviation =
gas every so often, but try to run ethanol free high test. Will do the same=
with the B .</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I don'=
t drive either one enough to burn the valve seats.</div><div dir=3D"auto">H=
appy motoring.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Our driver=C2=A0 season is nearing it=
s end. I hope the B will extend it with roll up windows.<br><br><div data-s=
martmail=3D"gmail_signature" dir=3D"auto">Ira Erbs<br>Milwaukie, OR<br>1959=
Austin Healey 100-6<br>1967 MGB Roadster</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 22, 2023,=
5:18 PM dave northrup <<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave@ranteer=
.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:break=
-word">
<div class=3D"m_6120575802208623400WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The biggest concern about ethanol is that it absorbs=
water over time and degrades.=C2=A0 See this article:=C2=A0
<a href=3D"https://www.goldeagle.com/tips-tools/what-are-the-effects-of-eth=
anol-in-gasoline-and-how-to-protect-your-engines-against-it/" target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">
https://www.goldeagle.com/tips-tools/what-are-the-effects-of-ethanol-in-gas=
oline-and-how-to-protect-your-engines-against-it/</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also, it may or may not be an improvement from an en=
vironmental standpoint given the energy, land requirements, fertilizer, etc=
, required to plant, grow, harvest, and process the corn.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.treehugger.com/the-pros-and-c=
ons-of-ethanol-fuel-1203777" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://w=
ww.treehugger.com/the-pros-and-cons-of-ethanol-fuel-1203777</a><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Mgs <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs-bounces@autox.team.=
net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Max Heim<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 22, 2023 10:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> mglist <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Petrol<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think most of the concern about ethanol is misplac=
ed, or at least exaggerated.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">One, who still has 50-year-old rubber parts in their=
engine? These expendable components have all been replaced multiple times =
at this point, and all the replacement hoses have been ethanol-compatible f=
or a decade at least.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Two, all California fuel has contained ethanol for a=
long time. That=E2=80=99s a test involving 40 million vehicles, and probab=
ly one million vintage and antique vehicles, including my stable of 2 or 3.=
I have never noticed any bad effects from
fuels containing up to 10% ethanol.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">It seems to me that the people who are always warnin=
g about the =E2=80=9Cdangers=E2=80=9D of ethanol are the same people who ne=
ver use it; that is, that have no personal experience.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">--<br>
Max Heim<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mv=
heim@sonic.net</a><br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sep 22, 2023, at 2:54 AM, <<a href=3D"mailto:h=
.duinhoven@planet.nl" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">h.duinhoven@plan=
et.nl</a>> <<a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl"; target=3D"_blank=
" rel=3D"noreferrer">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana",sans-serif">It is not for the octane grade only, that premium f=
uel is the best choice.<span class=3D"m_6120575802208623400apple-converted-=
space">=C2=A0</span><br>
It is best to avoid ethanol additions as much as possible.<span class=3D"m_=
6120575802208623400apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><br>
In the Netherlands we still can choose between 5% or 10% ethanol.<span clas=
s=3D"m_6120575802208623400apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><br>
Premium fuel 5% is the best and offers the least chance of damaging the old=
type of fuel lines - hoses and gaskets in the carburettors.<span class=3D"=
m_6120575802208623400apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><br>
It also offers 98% octane, which had the least chance of pings.<br>
The final advantage of 5% ethanol is, that this fuel has a higher energy co=
ntent, which gives a better mpg figure.<span class=3D"m_6120575802208623400=
apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><br>
So it is worth while to make the best choice.<span class=3D"m_6120575802208=
623400apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><br>
I even use 5% ethanol premium fuel in my daily driver Mazda 6, which gives =
a nice fuel economy and a clean fuel system.<br>
<br>
Cheers, Hans<br>
No BGT anymore - just enjoying MG news<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----<br>
Van: Mgs <</span><a href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&qu=
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Verzonden: donderdag 21 september 2023 09:47<br>
Aan:<span class=3D"m_6120575802208623400apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span=
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Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Petrol<br>
<br>
As already said if you have a low compression engine then lower octane shou=
ld be fine.=C2=A0 If high compression then you will get the benefit of bett=
er performance and economy with higher octane.=C2=A0 Low ethanol is better =
in both cases.<br>
<br>
Because the fuel today is so different to when these cars were first produc=
ed the original timing specs are no longer relevant. If you get pinking the=
n back off the timing until you don't at any combination of throttle op=
ening, revs and load.=C2=A0 With high compression
and high octane try advancing bit by bit until you get pinking, then back =
off a bit till you don't.<br>
<br>
You are less likely to get pinking on low compression even with low octane =
fuel, so if you can run the book figures for timing without pinking then do=
so.=C2=A0 You might get a bit better by advancing, but you can advance so =
far that it stalls the starter but still
doesn't pink. That's obviously too far.<br>
<br>
PaulH.<br>
<br>
On 20/09/2023 16:32, i erbs wrote:<br style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;tex=
t-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
<br>
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana",sans-serif">I just got my B running for the first time and have=
a newbie question.<span class=3D"m_6120575802208623400apple-converted-spac=
e">=C2=A0</span><br>
I have looked online and got confusing answers.<br>
What grade petrol do I use? Must I use premium grade? Can I use regular?<br=
>
Thanks.<br>
<br>
Ira Erbs<br>
Milwaukie, OR<br>
1959 Austin Healey 100-6<br>
1967 MGB Roadster<br>
<br>
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