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Re: [Mgs] mga clutch bleeding

To: mglist <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] mga clutch bleeding
From: Max Heim <mvheim@sonic.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 08:39:24 -0700
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Yeah, for some reason this seemingly simple task is often inexplicably =
difficult.

One factor is that the reservoir capacity is so tiny that it is very =
easy to inadvertently empty it and allow air into the system, which =
basically puts you back to square one. It=E2=80=99s like you have to top =
it off after every stroke. Bob=E2=80=99s method sounds helpful in that =
regard.

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Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:11 AM, Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
>       Everyone who has ever bled a clutch on MGA or MGB has a sad tale =
of difficulty to relate. Those who have owned TDs with rods&lever or the =
cable remember how easy that job of adjustment was.
>       Everyone has a method that eventually worked.  Mine is to fill =
as I assume they did at the factory=E2=80=94figure out the quantity of =
fluid in the entire system, then push that amount in at the clutch with =
a syringe until MC fills.  The thought is that pushing up from the =
bottom will take any bubbles along with the fluid to the top. =20
>       Worked for me. Hope it works for you.
> Bob
>=20
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> On Aug 8, 2023, at 3:44 PM, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com =
>=20
>> Car is a 58 mga.  Bled the brakes just fine but I can=E2=80=99t get =
action out of the clutch.
>> =20
>> Have speedbleeder on it but that=E2=80=99s not working for me.
>> =20
>> Several times the wife pumped the clutch about 10 times with the =
bleed valve closed, then I would open it and pretty much nothing came =
out.
>> =20
>> If I leave the valve open and pump fluid does come out.
>> =20
>> The master is new.  I think the slave is new as well.  I recognize =
either one could be an out of box failure.
>> =20
>> I=E2=80=99ve gone through mgaguru but I don=E2=80=99t see the answer =
I need.=20
>> =20
>> So frustrated I=E2=80=99ve thought about replace both the master and =
slave, but I=E2=80=99m not convinced that=E2=80=99s the problem.
>> _______________________________________________
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Yeah,=
 for some reason this seemingly simple task is often inexplicably =
difficult.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">One =
factor is that the reservoir capacity is so tiny that it is very easy to =
inadvertently empty it and allow air into the system, which basically =
puts you back to square one. It=E2=80=99s like you have to top it off =
after every stroke. Bob=E2=80=99s method sounds helpful in that =
regard.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">
--<br class=3D"">Max Heim<br class=3D"">'66 MGB

</div>


<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:11 AM, Robert's New iPad &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com"; class=3D"">mgbobh@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space: pre;">   </span>Everyone =
who has ever bled a clutch on MGA or MGB has a sad tale of difficulty to =
relate. Those who have owned TDs with rods&amp;lever or the cable =
remember how easy that job of adjustment was.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space: pre;">   </span>Everyone =
has a method that eventually worked. &nbsp;Mine is to fill as I assume =
they did at the factory=E2=80=94figure out the quantity of fluid in the =
entire system, then push that amount in at the clutch with a syringe =
until MC fills. &nbsp;The thought is that pushing up from the bottom =
will take any bubbles along with the fluid to the top. &nbsp;</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space: =
pre;">  </span>Worked for me. Hope it works for you.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">On Aug 8, 2023, at 3:44 PM, dave northrup &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; class=3D"">dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1;"><div style=3D"margin:=
 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Car =
is a 58 mga.&nbsp; Bled the brakes just fine but I can=E2=80=99t get =
action out of the clutch.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin:=
 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Have speedbleeder on it =
but that=E2=80=99s not working for me.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Several times the wife pumped the clutch about =
10 times with the bleed valve closed, then I would open it and pretty =
much nothing came out.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">If I leave the valve open =
and pump fluid does come out.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">The master is new.&nbsp; I think the slave is =
new as well.&nbsp; I recognize either one could be an out of box =
failure.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ve gone through =
mgaguru but I don=E2=80=99t see the answer I need.&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">So frustrated I=E2=80=99ve =
thought about replace both the master and slave, but I=E2=80=99m not =
convinced that=E2=80=99s the problem.<o:p =
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