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Moss rear springs lasted about 60K miles. =C2=A0Got a pair from buddy on a=
car with only 55K miles a few years ago. =C2=A0Back to normal. =C2=A0I hav=
e about 235K miles on car. =C2=A0Find someone to make or rear arch your ori=
ginal springs.
=C2=A0The stuff today is just junk.
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=C2=A0 1. Re: Ride height (Barrie Robinson)
=C2=A0 2. Re: Ride height (PaulHunt73)
=C2=A0 3. Re: Ride height (Barney Gaylord)
=C2=A0 4. Re: Ride height (PaulHunt73)
Hello Paul,
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I got my local Brit car shop to fit springs all round as I had a serious c=
ase of unequal saggynitis.=C2=A0=C2=A0 They got them from Moss and all is p=
erfectly fine now.
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Cheers
Barrie
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On 5/3/2021 11:24 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote:
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The high rear end after spring replacement is common and is part of the 't=
oo hard' thing needing extra weight in the boot to get the rebound straps f=
astened. =C2=A0 Personally I wouldn't jack up the front to match the rear, =
people spend inordinate amounts of time and money trying to lower MGBs!=C2=
=A0 What you could try is lowering=C2=A0'blocks' between the axle and the s=
prings, as used=C2=A0with parabolic springs, but may need longer U-bolts. =
=C2=A0 Even with new OEM rears my CB roadster was too low when fully laden,=
bottoming and grounding in country lanes, I ended up extending the rear sh=
ackles. =C2=A0 PaulH.=20
----- Original Message ----- 3 years ago I got an MOT safety test fail on=
the sagged rear springs, so these were replaced. =20
>From that moment on the car looks a bit like a dragster with the rear highe=
r than the front.
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So I should look for replacement front coils.
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The lower mounting point for the rebound strap on=C2=A0an MGB (the car th=
at was the subject of the original enquiry) is on the axle.=C2=A0 So when y=
ou=C2=A0fit lowering blocks the body becomes lower relative to the axle and=
=C2=A0the rebound straps become slacker not more taut.=C2=A0 The bump rubbe=
r on the body is now also=C2=A0closer to the pedestal on the axle, so the d=
amper can't be 'compressed' any more than it was before.=C2=A0 And with the=
same straps=C2=A0the damper=C2=A0can't be extended any more=C2=A0than prev=
iously either.=C2=A0Incorrect springs that give a very raised ride height m=
ay well cause the problem of picking up a rear tyre in a fast turn, but low=
ering blocks will reduce or eliminate that.=C2=A0PaulH.=C2=A0----- Original=
Message -----=20
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Lowering blocks raise the rear axle in relation to the springs, but do not =
change the spring height in relation to the body or chassis frame.=C2=A0 Yo=
u can correct the ride height that way, but it will not correct the gross m=
isalignment for the rebound straps (which are attached to the lower spring =
mounting plate).
If the rebould straps are close to taught when at rest, they you will be ro=
yally screwed on handling when driving.=C2=A0 It will pick a rear tire comp=
letely off the ground in a fast turn, causing severe oversteer (very danger=
ous condition).=C2=A0 And if you install longer rebound straps, you will ge=
t damage to the lever arm shocks from overtravel.
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- =C2=A0
Yeah, good point.=C2=A0 Sorry about the slip up.=C2=A0 Iforgot the lower pi=
n for the rebound strap is on the axlehousing.
Still no excuse for new replacement springs being manufactured with toomuch=
arch (and too high spring rate).=C2=A0 Theory of a leaf spring isthat when=
fully loaded it should be straight, flat, no arch.=C2=A0 Thisgives it the =
highest lateral stiffness and least tendency to twist andmisalign the sprin=
gs and axle in hard cornering.=C2=A0 It just rubs methe wrong way to have t=
o jury rig an perfectly good assembly toaccommodate use of a faulty replace=
ment part.
At 03:32 AM 5/4/2021, PaulHunt73 wrote:
The lowermounting point for the rebound strap on an MGB (the car that was t=
hesubject of the original enquiry) is on the axle.=C2=A0 So when you fitlow=
ering blocks the body becomes lower relative to the axle and therebound str=
aps become slacker not more taut.=C2=A0 The bump rubber on thebody is now a=
lso closer to the pedestal on the axle, so the damper can'tbe 'compressed' =
any more than it was before.=C2=A0 And with the samestraps the damper can't=
be extended any more than previously either.
=C2=A0
Incorrect springs that give a very raised ride heightmay well cause the pro=
blem of picking up a rear tyre in a fast turn, butlowering blocks will redu=
ce or eliminate that.
=C2=A0
PaulH.
----- OriginalMessage -----=20
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- Lowering blocks raise the rear axle in relation to the springs, but=
do not change the spring height in relation to the body or chassisframe.=C2=
=A0 You can correct the ride height that way, but it will notcorrect the gr=
oss misalignment for the rebound straps (which are attachedto the lower spr=
ing mounting plate). =20
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- If the rebould straps are close to taught when at rest, they you wi=
llbe royally screwed on handling when driving.=C2=A0 It will pick a reartir=
e completely off the ground in a fast turn, causing severe oversteer(very d=
angerous condition).=C2=A0 And if you install longer reboundstraps, you wil=
l get damage to the lever arm shocks from overtravel.
Amen to that!
----- Original Message ----- Still no excuse for new replacement springs b=
eing manufactured with too much arch (and too high spring rate).=C2=A0 Theo=
ry of a leaf spring is that when fully loaded it should be straight, flat, =
no arch.=C2=A0 This gives it the highest lateral stiffness and least tenden=
cy to twist and misalign the springs and axle in hard cornering.=C2=A0 It j=
ust rubs me the wrong way to have to jury rig an perfectly good assembly to=
accommodate use of a faulty replacement part.
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<div>Moss rear springs lasted about 60K miles. Got a pair fro=
m buddy on a car with only 55K miles a few years ago. Back to normal.=
I have about 235K miles on car. Find someone to make or rear a=
rch your original springs.</div><div><br></div><div> The stuff today i=
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<font size=3D"-1"><font face=3D"Arial">Hello Paul,<br>
<br>
I got my local Brit car shop to fit springs all round as I had a
serious case of unequal saggynitis. They got them from =
Moss
and all is perfectly fine now.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Barrie<br>
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4 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote:<br>
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<div><font size=3D"2">The high rear end after spring replacement is
common and is part of the 'too hard' thing needing extra
weight in the boot to get the rebound straps fastened.</font></di=
v>
<div> </div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Personally I wouldn't jack up the front to
match the rear, people spend inordinate amounts of time and
money trying to lower MGBs! What you could try is
lowering 'blocks' between the axle and the springs, as
used with parabolic springs, but may need longer U-bolts.</f=
ont></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Even with new OEM rears my CB roadster was too
low when fully laden, bottoming and grounding in country
lanes, I ended up extending the rear shackles.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size=3D"2">PaulH.</font></div>
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ADDING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px;" dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch=
: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;">----- =
Original Message ----- </div>
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: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial; backgro=
und-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; backgr=
ound-repeat: initial initial;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">3 years ago I got an MO=
T safety test
fail on the sagged rear springs, so these were replaced.</span>=
</div>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpc939c689yiv4978094949MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-G=
B">From that moment on
the car looks a bit like a dragster with the rear higher
than the front.</span></p>=20
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B"> </span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpc939c689yiv4978094949MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-G=
B">So I should look for
replacement front coils.</span></p>=20
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<div><font size=3D"2">The lower mounting point for the rebound strap on&nbs=
p;an MGB=20
(the car that was the subject of the original enquiry) is on the axle. =
; So=20
when you fit lowering blocks the body becomes lower relative to the ax=
le=20
and the rebound straps become slacker not more taut. The bump ru=
bber=20
on the body is now also closer to the pedestal on the axle, so the dam=
per=20
can't be 'compressed' any more than it was before. And with the same=
=20
straps the damper can't be extended any more than previously=
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either.</font></div>
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<div><font size=3D"2">Incorrect springs that give a very raised ride height=
may well=20
cause the problem of picking up a rear tyre in a fast turn, but lowering bl=
ocks=20
will reduce or eliminate that.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font> </div>
<div><font size=3D"2">PaulH.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font> </div>
<div>----- Original Message ----- </div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;PADDING=
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<div><font size=3D"2"></font><font size=3D"2"></font><br></div><font size=
=3D"3">Lowering=20
blocks raise the rear axle in relation to the springs, but do not change =
the=20
spring height in relation to the body or chassis frame. You can cor=
rect=20
the ride height that way, but it will not correct the gross misalignment =
for=20
the rebound straps (which are attached to the lower spring mounting=20
plate).<br><br>If the rebould straps are close to taught when at rest, th=
ey=20
you will be royally screwed on handling when driving. It will pick =
a=20
rear tire completely off the ground in a fast turn, causing severe overst=
eer=20
(very dangerous condition). And if you install longer rebound strap=
s,=20
you will get damage to the lever arm shocks from overtravel.<br></font>
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<font size=3D"3">Yeah, good point. Sorry about the slip up. I
forgot the lower pin for the rebound strap is on the axle
housing.<br><br>
Still no excuse for new replacement springs being manufactured with too
much arch (and too high spring rate). Theory of a leaf spring is
that when fully loaded it should be straight, flat, no arch. This
gives it the highest lateral stiffness and least tendency to twist and
misalign the springs and axle in hard cornering. It just rubs me
the wrong way to have to jury rig an perfectly good assembly to
accommodate use of a faulty replacement part.<br><br>
<br>
At 03:32 AM 5/4/2021, PaulHunt73 wrote:<br>
</font><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"ydpc939c689yiv4978094949cite"><fo=
nt size=3D"2">The lower
mounting point for the rebound strap on an MGB (the car that was the
subject of the original enquiry) is on the axle. So when you fit
lowering blocks the body becomes lower relative to the axle and the
rebound straps become slacker not more taut. The bump rubber on the
body is now also closer to the pedestal on the axle, so the damper can't
be 'compressed' any more than it was before. And with the same
straps the damper can't be extended any more than previously either.<br>
</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
</font><font size=3D"2">Incorrect springs that give a very raised ride heig=
ht
may well cause the problem of picking up a rear tyre in a fast turn, but
lowering blocks will reduce or eliminate that.<br>
</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
</font><font size=3D"2">PaulH.</font></blockquote><br><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"ydpc939c689yiv4978094949cite"><font size=
=3D"3">----- Original
Message ----- <br>
</font>
<dl>
<dd>Lowering blocks raise the rear axle in relation to the springs, but
do not change the spring height in relation to the body or chassis
frame. You can correct the ride height that way, but it will not
correct the gross misalignment for the rebound straps (which are attached
to the lower spring mounting plate).<br><br>
</dd><dd>If the rebould straps are close to taught when at rest, they you w=
ill
be royally screwed on handling when driving. It will pick a rear
tire completely off the ground in a fast turn, causing severe oversteer
(very dangerous condition). And if you install longer rebound
straps, you will get damage to the lever arm shocks from overtravel.
</dd></dl></blockquote></div>
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1509"><div id=3D"ydpc939c689yiv4978094949">
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<div><font size=3D"2">Amen to that!</font></div>
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<div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: norm=
al; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;">----- Origin=
al Message ----- </div><font size=3D"3">Still no excuse for new replacement=
springs being manufactured with too=20
much arch (and too high spring rate). Theory of a leaf spring is th=
at=20
when fully loaded it should be straight, flat, no arch. This gives =
it=20
the highest lateral stiffness and least tendency to twist and misalign th=
e=20
springs and axle in hard cornering. It just rubs me the wrong way t=
o=20
have to jury rig an perfectly good assembly to accommodate use of a fault=
y=20
replacement part.<br></font>
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