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My turn???
=20
Years ago I acquired an overpriced box of stuff, including an original =
Triumph sidescreen radio (AM of course). It came in a =
=E2=80=9Cstand=E2=80=9D that fit between the tunnel and the dash and =
included a speaker. It did not work.
=20
At the time I was part of the Datsun Roadster group (Datsun Roadsters =
were built from 1962? To 1970), and were the precursor to the 240Z. a =
lister had posted that his dad retired, was some sort of electronics =
technician, and was looking to repair radios as a hobby. So I sent him =
mine. I was told that he was thrilled to work on one that had tubes, =
and he really enjoyed refurbishing it.
=20
That radio went into a 1957 TR3 that the current owner showed at The =
Gathering a few years ago and came away with first in class.
=20
From: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bert Palte
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 12:07 PM
To: Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com>
Cc: mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Old Car Radios
=20
Bob,
Your radio story reminds me of the following:
=20
1. During half of my student days, I drove a 1972 Sunbeam Sceptre =
(similar to a Hillman Hunter, you can google that).
That was until 1981, when I graduated and started working. In those =
days, it was not done, as a sales rep, to drive a 10-yr old car.
So I bought a Peugeot 504, archetypical for a sales rep in those =
days.
Since the Sunbeam's manufacturer had gone belly up and, by =
consequence, the resale value was very very low,=20
and the car looked still quite good, I decided to not trade it in but =
just keep it.
=20
Fast Forward 30+ years: I got the car running again and nowadays =
make occasional trips with it,=20
like e.g. a camping trip to the South of England with my son. =20
=20
Three things that I noticed when I drove this car first time after =
so many years:
=20
a. The steering wheel rim is very thin;
b. Panorama view: no thick posts between windscreen and doors etc.
c. The (Grundig, upmarket for its days) AM/FM monaural radio sounds =
really terrible when compared to more modern gear.
=20
2. In the late seventies, I worked for three months as a trainee at =
Televerket, the Swedish telephone company.
Of course, my internship required that I do something scientific, =
but due to poor organisation by my employer, a state enterprise,=20
I could not work for weeks at the project that I came for.
So, colleagues came by and asked me if I could repair their record =
players, stereo's, car radios etcetera.=20
=20
Now, this was not a skill I had any experience with, but at that age =
you learn quickly.
These were the days before Internet or even telefax.=20
But, when you grab a telephone and ask the manufacturer to send some =
circuit diagrams by mail,=20
they were really very eager to assist such an important institution =
like the Swedish Telecom authority.
So, I repaired a lot of electronics stuff then, and learned a lot in =
the process.
=20
One day, I had a small problem with the Sunbeam, no output from the =
alternator (Lucas 16 ACR).=20
Not very nice to work on, when it is minus 25 degrees Centigrade =
outside.
No problem: I could easily drive the car into the Televerket =
laboratory after working hours=20
and replace the carbon brushes that my brother had sent me by mail =
from Holland.
=20
Cheers
Bert =20
=20
=20
=20
=20
Op 30-11-2020 om 14:17 schreef Robert's New iPad:
The rebuilt starter should be on its way to another 40 years of =
reliable operation. =20
My 1972 =E2=80=98British Leyland=E2=80=99 radio, AM/FM, monophonic, =
was taken to a repair shop Saturday for help. It had emitted a =
hot-electronics smell and gone silent a week before. Some research =
found that Motorola made radios for US dealers to install in Jaguars, =
Triumphs and MGs. This seems to be one, and the shop may be able to =
restore this one to its original low-quality sound.
Bob
=20
On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, <h.duinhoven@planet.nl =
Here=E2=80=99s the latest update.
A local workshop has overhauled the starter.=20
New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and =
Bendix.
Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new =E2=80=93 starts =
well again!
A nice tour in the late November sun was the reward.
As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing nights, =
the GT remains inside till spring.
Battery on the tender=E2=80=A6
=20
Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early seventies).
=20
Thank you for all good advices.=20
=20
Cheers,
Hans
=20
71 BGT
=20
Verzonden: donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12
Aan: 'Richard Lindsay' <richardolindsay@gmail.com =
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
=20
I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but =
motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes.=20
So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. =
They=E2=80=99ll disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to =
do a repair, or a new starter is better.
=20
Cheers,
Hans
=20
> Namens Richard Lindsay
Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
Aan: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven@planet.nl =
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
=20
My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator =
on the lathe and replace the brushes.
=20
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <h.duinhoven@planet.nl =
=20
I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is =
on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.
The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
Now there is a discussion:
Repair the starter or buy a new one.
High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy
Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00
New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00
New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00
=20
https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting=
-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/=20
=20
https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024=20
=20
There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator =
has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
They did a good job.
I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 =
a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at =
octagonparts) or have the original repaired=E2=80=A6
=20
Cheers,
Hans=20
=20
Van: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73@virginmedia.com =
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
=20
Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two =
voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that =
with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter =
body when cranking. The difference between the two is what is being =
lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much =
more than that.
=20
If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the =
problem.
=20
PaulH.
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
=20
Next job is the slow starter motor.=20
I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery =
to chassis cable.
Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.=20
Nothing helped so far.
So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it =
will be o.k. as the battery is new.
Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V =
to the engine.
When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is =
logical.
Nice winter job.
=20
> Namens Dan DiBiase
Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
Aan: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com =
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
=20
OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, =
now!) advice..............................
=20
Dan D
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
=20
=20
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay =
I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit =
of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old =
fuel into jugs.
=20
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com =
Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently =
returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon =
out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it =
towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most =
of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under =
1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge =
accuracy).=20
=20
I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior =
of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a =
certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really =
like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.
=20
Thx,=20
=20
Dan D
'76B- Getting There
'65B - Waiting It's Turn
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>My turn???<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Years ago I =
acquired an overpriced box of stuff, including an original Triumph =
sidescreen radio (AM of course).=C2=A0 It came in a =
=E2=80=9Cstand=E2=80=9D that fit between the tunnel and the dash and =
included a speaker.=C2=A0 It did not work.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>At the time =
I was part of the Datsun Roadster group (Datsun Roadsters were built =
from 1962? To 1970), and were the precursor to the 240Z.=C2=A0 a lister =
had posted that his dad retired, was some sort of electronics =
technician, and was looking to repair radios as a hobby.=C2=A0 So I sent =
him mine.=C2=A0 I was told that he was thrilled to work on one that had =
tubes, and he really enjoyed refurbishing it.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>That radio =
went into a 1957 TR3 that the current owner showed at The Gathering a =
few years ago and came away with first in class.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Mgs =
<mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bert =
Palte<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 30, 2020 12:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> =
mgs@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> [Mgs] Old Car =
Radios<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Bob,<o:p></o:p></p><p>Your =
radio story reminds me of the =
following:<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>1. During half of my =
student days, I drove a 1972 Sunbeam Sceptre (similar to a Hillman =
Hunter, you can google that).<o:p></o:p></p><p> That =
was until 1981, when I graduated and started working. In those days, it =
was not done, as a sales rep, to drive a 10-yr old =
car.<o:p></o:p></p><p> So I bought a Peugeot 504, =
archetypical for a sales rep in those =
days.<o:p></o:p></p><p> Since the Sunbeam's =
manufacturer had gone belly up and, by consequence, the resale value was =
very very low, <o:p></o:p></p><p> and the car looked still =
quite good, I decided to not trade it in but just keep =
it.<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p> Fast Forward =
30+ years: I got the car running again and nowadays make occasional =
trips with it, <o:p></o:p></p><p> like e.g. a camping =
trip to the South of England with my son. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p> Three =
things that I noticed when I drove this car first time after so many =
years:<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p> a. The =
steering wheel rim is very thin;<o:p></o:p></p><p> b. =
Panorama view: no thick posts between windscreen and doors =
etc.<o:p></o:p></p><p> c. The (Grundig, upmarket for its =
days) AM/FM monaural radio sounds really terrible when compared to more =
modern gear.<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>2. In the late =
seventies, I worked for three months as a trainee at Televerket, the =
Swedish telephone company.<o:p></o:p></p><p> Of =
course, my internship required that I do something scientific, but due =
to poor organisation by my employer, a state enterprise, =
<o:p></o:p></p><p> I could not work for weeks at =
the project that I came for.<o:p></o:p></p><p> So, =
colleagues came by and asked me if I could repair their record players, =
stereo's, car radios etcetera. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p> Now, this =
was not a skill I had any experience with, but at that age you learn =
quickly.<o:p></o:p></p><p> These were the days before =
Internet or even telefax. <o:p></o:p></p><p> But, when =
you grab a telephone and ask the manufacturer to send some circuit =
diagrams by mail, <o:p></o:p></p><p> they were really very =
eager to assist such an important institution like the Swedish Telecom =
authority.<o:p></o:p></p><p> So, I repaired a lot of =
electronics stuff then, and learned a lot in the =
process.<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p> One day, =
I had a small problem with the Sunbeam, no output from the alternator =
(Lucas 16 ACR). <o:p></o:p></p><p> Not very nice =
to work on, when it is minus 25 degrees Centigrade =
outside.<o:p></o:p></p><p> No problem: I could easily =
drive the car into the Televerket laboratory after working hours =
<o:p></o:p></p><p> and replace the carbon brushes that =
my brother had sent me by mail from =
Holland.<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p=
>Bert =
<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Op =
30-11-2020 om 14:17 schreef Robert's New =
iPad:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> The rebuilt starter should be on its way =
to another 40 years of reliable operation. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> My =
1972 =E2=80=98British Leyland=E2=80=99 radio, AM/FM, monophonic, was =
taken to a repair shop Saturday for help. It had emitted a =
hot-electronics smell and gone silent a week before. Some research =
found that Motorola made radios for US dealers to install in Jaguars, =
Triumphs and MGs. This seems to be one, and the shop may be able =
to restore this one to its original low-quality =
sound.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bob<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, <<a =
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";>h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>> =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";>h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Here=E2=80=99s the latest update.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>A local workshop has overhauled the =
starter. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new =
bearings and Bendix.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new =
=E2=80=93 starts well again!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>A nice tour in the late November =
sun was the reward.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first =
freezing nights, the GT remains inside till =
spring.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Battery on the tender=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Time for the other classics (3 Puch =
mopeds from the early seventies).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Thank you for all good advices. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Hans</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>71 BGT</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net";>mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>=
> <b>Namens </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";>h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a><br><b>Ver=
zonden:</b> donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12<br><b>Aan:</b> 'Richard =
Lindsay' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";>richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;<br><b>CC:</b> 'mglist' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Onder=
werp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning =
Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works =
well, but motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>So I took =
your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They=E2=80=99ll =
disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair, or =
a new starter is better.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Hans</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net";>mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>=
> <b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsay<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 15 =
november 2020 14:57<br><b>Aan:</b> Hans Duinhoven <<a =
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";>h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>><br><b=
>CC:</b> mglist <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>mgs@autox.team.net</a>>; MGB-Yahoo =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com";>mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>><br>=
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning =
Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>My vote =
is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on the =
lathe and replace the brushes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <<a =
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";>h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 =
volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good =
value.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>The same value is measured on the starter ingoing =
post.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>So no tension loss on the electrical =
circuits.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><br>Now there is a discussion:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Repair the starter or buy a new =
one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is =
pricy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC =
200,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC =
239,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =
=E2=82=AC 135,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><a =
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/=
starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/elect=
rical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a> =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><a =
href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024"; =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082=
.024</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where =
the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years =
ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>They did a good job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is =
better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC =
135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original =
repaired=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Hans </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Van:</b> =
PaulHunt73 <<a href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">paulhunt73@virginmedia.com</a>> =
<br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br><b>Aan:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl"; =
target=3D"_blank">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a><br><b>CC:</b> 'mglist' =
<<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> =
Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Yes, measure the voltage right on =
the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v =
batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the =
battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when =
cranking. The difference between the two is what is being lost in =
the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more =
than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>If you get much less than 10v at the battery =
posts then that is the =
problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original =
Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:#E=
4E4E4'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Next job is the slow starter motor. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of =
the battery to chassis cable.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Nothing helped so far.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>So next will be verifying the battery voltage when =
cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is =
new.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Following step will be measuring the voltage over the =
starter motor +12V to the engine.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was =
overhauled, this is logical.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Nice winter job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Van:</b> =
Mgs <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>Namens </b>Dan =
DiBiase<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 =
22:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay <<a =
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>><br><b>CC:</b> mglist =
<<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>; MGB-Yahoo <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> =
Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>OMG, duh! =
Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) =
advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dan D<br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"; =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Oct =
22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <<a =
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I had the =
same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose =
and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into =
jugs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Oct =
22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi all.... =
My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned =
to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the =
5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. =
The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas =
before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so =
around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge =
accuracy). <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I was able =
to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank =
is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and =
it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a =
couple more gallons before I fill it up.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thx, <o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dan =
D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>'76B- =
Getting There<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>'65B - =
Waiting It's Turn<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Central NJ =
USA<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"; =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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