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Bob,
Your radio story reminds me of the following:
1. During half of my student days, I drove a 1972 Sunbeam Sceptre
(similar to a Hillman Hunter, you can google that).
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 That was until 1981, when I graduated and started work=
ing. In those
days, it was not done, as a sales rep, to drive a 10-yr old car.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 So I bought a Peugeot 504, archetypical for a sales re=
p in those days.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Since the Sunbeam's manufacturer had gone belly up and=
, by
consequence, the resale value was very very low,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 and the car looked still quite good, I decided to not trade =
it in
but just keep it.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Fast Forward 30+ years: I got the car running again and now=
adays
make occasional trips with it,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 like e.g. a camping trip to the South of England with =
my son.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Three things that I noticed when I drove this car firs=
t time after
so many years:
=C2=A0=C2=A0 a. The steering wheel rim is very thin;
=C2=A0=C2=A0 b. Panorama view: no thick posts between windscreen and door=
s etc.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 c. The (Grundig, upmarket for its days) AM/FM monaural radio=
sounds
really terrible when compared to more modern gear.
2. In the late seventies, I worked for three months as a trainee at
Televerket, the Swedish telephone company.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Of course, my internship required that I do some=
thing scientific,
but due to poor organisation by my employer, a state enterprise,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I could not work for weeks at the project that I=
came for.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 So, colleagues came by and asked me if I could repair =
their record
players, stereo's, car radios etcetera.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Now, this was not a skill I had any experience with, b=
ut at that
age you learn quickly.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 These were the days before Internet or even telefax.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 But, when you grab a telephone and ask the manufacture=
r to send
some circuit diagrams by mail,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 they were really very eager to assist such an important ins=
titution
like the Swedish Telecom authority.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 So, I repaired a lot of electronics stuff then, and learned=
a lot
in the process.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 One day, I had a small problem with the Sunbeam, no output =
from the
alternator (Lucas 16 ACR).
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Not very nice to=C2=A0 work on, when it is minus 25 de=
grees Centigrade
outside.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 No problem: I could easily drive the car into the Tele=
verket
laboratory after working hours
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 and replace the carbon brushes that my brother had sen=
t me by mail
from Holland.
Cheers
Bert
Op 30-11-2020 om 14:17 schreef Robert's New iPad:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0The rebuilt starter should be on its way to another 40 year=
s of
> reliable operation.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0My 1972 =E2=80=98British Leyland=E2=80=99 radio, AM/FM, mon=
ophonic, was taken to a
> repair shop Saturday for help. It had emitted a hot-electronics smell
> and gone silent a week before. =C2=A0Some research found that Motorola m=
ade
> radios for US dealers to install in Jaguars, Triumphs and MGs. =C2=A0Thi=
s
> seems to be one, and the shop may be able to restore this one to its
> original low-quality sound.
> Bob
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, <h.duinhoven@planet.nl
>
>> Here=E2=80=99s the latest update.
>>
>> A local workshop has overhauled the starter.
>>
>> New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and
>> Bendix.
>>
>> Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new =E2=80=93 starts w=
ell again!
>>
>> A nice tour in the late November sun was the reward.
>>
>> As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing
>> nights, the GT remains inside till spring.
>>
>> Battery on the tender=E2=80=A6
>>
>> Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early seventies).
>>
>> Thank you for all good advices.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Hans
>>
>> 71 BGT
>>
>> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net
>> *Verzonden:* donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12
>> *Aan:* 'Richard Lindsay' <richardolindsay@gmail.com
>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>>
>> I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but
>> motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes.
>>
>> So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They=E2=
=80=99ll
>> disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair,
>> or a new starter is better.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Hans
>>
>> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net
>> *Verzonden:* zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
>> *Aan:* Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven@planet.nl
>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>>
>> My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the
>> commutator on the lathe and replace the brushes.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <h.duinhoven@planet.nl
>>
>> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts.
>> It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good valu=
e.
>>
>> The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
>>
>> So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
>>
>>
>> Now there is a discussion:
>>
>> Repair the starter or buy a new one.
>>
>> High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy
>>
>> Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00
>>
>> New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00
>>
>> New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135=
,00
>>
>> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/st=
arting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
>> <https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/s=
tarting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/>
>>
>>
>> https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
>> <https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024>
>>
>> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the
>> alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
>>
>> They did a good job.
>>
>> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=
=80=93 a
>> new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octago=
nparts) or have
>> the original repaired=E2=80=A6
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Hans
>>
>> *Van:* PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73@virginmedia.com
>> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
>
>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>>
>> Yes,=C2=A0measure the voltage=C2=A0right on the battery posts (addi=
ng the
>> two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then
>> compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the
>> solenoid=C2=A0and starter body when cranking.=C2=A0 The difference =
between
>> the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is
>> normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.
>>
>> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then=C2=A0that=
=C2=A0is
>> the problem.
>>
>> PaulH.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> Next job is the slow starter motor.
>>
>> I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of
>> the battery to chassis cable.
>>
>> Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
>>
>> Nothing helped so far.
>>
>> So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking.
>> I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.
>>
>> Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter
>> motor +12V to the engine.
>>
>> When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was
>> overhauled, this is logical.
>>
>> Nice winter job.
>>
>> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net
>> *Verzonden:* donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
>> *Aan:* Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com
>> *CC:* mglist <mgs@autox.team.net
>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>>
>> OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and
>> obvious, now!) advice..............................
>>
>> Dan D
>>
>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>> <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay
>> <richardolindsay@gmail.com
>>
>> I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose,
>> added a a long bit of hose and with the coil
>> disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs=
.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase
e:
>>
>> Hi all.... My '76B, which=C2=A0was off the road for 5
>> years, was recently returned to me from the shop.
>> They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5
>> year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I
>> had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I
>> want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it
>> up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank,
>> so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge
>> accuracy).
>>
>> I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am
>> wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as
>> I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area
>> and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would
>> really like to remove a couple more gallons before I
>> fill it up.
>>
>> Thx,
>>
>> Dan D
>>
>> '76B- Getting There
>>
>> '65B - Waiting It's Turn
>>
>> Central NJ USA
>>
>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>> <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>>
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<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Your radio story reminds me of the following:</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>1. During half of my student days, I drove a 1972 Sunbeam Sceptre
(similar to a Hillman Hunter, you can google that).</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 That was until 1981, when I graduated and starte=
d working. In
those days, it was not done, as a sales rep, to drive a 10-yr old
car.</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 So I bought a Peugeot 504, archetypical for a sa=
les rep in
those days.</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Since the Sunbeam's manufacturer had gone belly =
up and, by
consequence, the resale value was very very low, <br>
</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0 and the car looked still quite good, I decided to not =
trade it
in but just keep it.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Fast Forward 30+ years: I got the car running again a=
nd
nowadays make occasional trips with it, <br>
</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 like e.g. a camping trip to the South of England=
with my son.
=C2=A0 <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Three things that I noticed when I drove this ca=
r first time
after so many years:</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0 a. The steering wheel rim is very thin;</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0 b. Panorama view: no thick posts between windscreen an=
d doors
etc.</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0 c. The (Grundig, upmarket for its days) AM/FM monaural=
radio
sounds really terrible when compared to more modern gear.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>2. In the late seventies, I worked for three months as a trainee
at Televerket, the Swedish telephone company.</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Of course, my internship required that I d=
o something
scientific, but due to poor organisation by my employer, a state
enterprise, <br>
</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I could not work for weeks at the project =
that I came for.</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 So, colleagues came by and asked me if I could r=
epair their
record players, stereo's, car radios etcetera. <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Now, this was not a skill I had any experience w=
ith, but at
that age you learn quickly.</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 These were the days before Internet or even tele=
fax. <br>
</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 But, when you grab a telephone and ask the manuf=
acturer to
send some circuit diagrams by mail, <br>
</p>
<p>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 they were really very eager to assist such an importa=
nt
institution like the Swedish Telecom authority.</p>
<p>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 So, I repaired a lot of electronics stuff then, and l=
earned a
lot in the process.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 One day, I had a small problem with the Sunbeam, no o=
utput
from the alternator (Lucas 16 ACR). <br>
</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Not very nice to=C2=A0 work on, when it is minus=
25 degrees
Centigrade outside.</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 No problem: I could easily drive the car into th=
e Televerket
laboratory after working hours <br>
</p>
<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 and replace the carbon brushes that my brother h=
ad sent me by
mail from Holland.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Bert=C2=A0 <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Op 30-11-2020 om 14:17 schreef Robert's
New iPad:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"
cite=3D"mid:B0EBE90D-1809-4DAB-994E-84959559B0ED@gmail.com">
<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUT=
F-8">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 =C2=A0The rebuilt starter should be on its w=
ay to
another 40 years of reliable operation. =C2=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 =C2=A0My 1972 =E2=80=98British Leyland=E2=80=
=99 radio, AM/FM,
monophonic, was taken to a repair shop Saturday for help. It had
emitted a hot-electronics smell and gone silent a week before.
=C2=A0Some research found that Motorola made radios for US dealers=
to
install in Jaguars, Triumphs and MGs. =C2=A0This seems to be one, =
and
the shop may be able to restore this one to its original
low-quality sound.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, <<a
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl"; moz-do-not-send=3D"true">h=
.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>>
<<a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>> wrote:<br=
>
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update.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">A loca=
l
workshop has overhauled the starter. <o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">New
brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new
bearings and Bendix.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Placed
the starter back in the GT and it runs as new =E2=80=93 st=
arts
well again!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">A nice
tour in the late November sun was the reward.<o:p></o:p></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">As sal=
t
has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing
nights, the GT remains inside till spring.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Batter=
y
on the tender=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=
=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Time f=
or
the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early
seventies).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Thank
you for all good advices. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers=
,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=
=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">71 BGT=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=
=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs <<a
href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a=
>>
<b>Namens </b><a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a><br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12<br>
<b>Aan:</b> 'Richard Lindsay' <<a
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>=
><br>
<b>CC:</b> 'mglist' <<a
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br=
>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was
Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">I have
tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works
well, but motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over
the brushes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">So I
took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop.
They=E2=80=99ll disassemble it first, in order to see it i=
s
feasible to do a repair, or a new starter is better.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=
=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers=
,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=
=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs <<a
href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&=
gt;
<b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsay<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 15 november 2020 14:57<br>
<b>Aan:</b> Hans Duinhoven <<a
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>><b=
r>
<b>CC:</b> mglist <<a
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>;
MGB-Yahoo <<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>><=
br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning
Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My vote is to have your local shop do
the rebuild. Turn the commutator on the lathe and
replace the brushes.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <<=
a
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">I measured the voltage on the posts
while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on a digital
meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">The same value is measured on the
starter ingoing post.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">So no tension loss on the
electrical circuits.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB"><br>
Now there is a discussion:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">Repair the starter or buy a new
one.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 3=
25,00,
which is pricy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">Original starter on exchange base =
=3D
=E2=82=AC 200,00</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC=
239,00</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter looking like a Lucas
(white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB"><a
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/s=
tarting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/"
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https=
://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-syste=
m-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB"><a
href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues=
/part/26883/082.024"
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https=
://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024</a>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">There is a local electrical car
parts repair shop, where the alternator has been
repaired +/- 10 years ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">They did a good job.</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">I assume they can fix the starter
as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 a new one
(Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 =
at octagonparts)
or have the original repaired=E2=80=A6</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto"><b>Van:</b>
PaulHunt73 <<a
href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com";
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">pau=
lhunt73@virginmedia.com</a>>
<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020
11:41<br>
<b>Aan:</b> <a
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">h.d=
uinhoven@planet.nl</a><br>
<b>CC:</b> 'mglist' <<a
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs=
@autox.team.net</a>>;
'MGB-Yahoo' <<a
href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com";
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mg-=
mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was
Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Yes,=C2=A0measure t=
he
voltage=C2=A0right on the battery posts (addin=
g
the two voltages together if twin 6v
batteries) when cranking, then compare that
with the voltage at the battery cable stud
on the solenoid=C2=A0and starter body when
cranking.=C2=A0 The difference between the two=
is
what is being lost in the connections, a
volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be
much more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">If you get much
less than 10v at the battery posts
then=C2=A0that=C2=A0is the problem.</span><o:p=
></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">PaulH.</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid
black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">-----
Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:#E4=
E4E4"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:b=
lack"
lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">Next job is the slow starter
motor. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">I already cleaned the battery
posts clamps and the post of the battery to
chassis cable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">Also cleaned thoroughly the
chassis to engine cable. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">Nothing helped so far.</span><o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">So next will be verifying the
battery voltage when cranking. I assume it
will be o.k. as the battery is new.</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">Following step will be measuring
the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the
engine.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">When o.k., the starter is
suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is
logical.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">Nice winter job.</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto"><b>Van:</b>
Mgs <<a
href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net";
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs=
-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
<b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020
22:26<br>
<b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay <<a
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">ric=
hardolindsay@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>CC:</b> mglist <<a
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs=
@autox.team.net</a>>;
MGB-Yahoo <<a
href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com";
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mg-=
mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></=
o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto">OMG,
duh! Thanks to all that replied with this
excellent (and obvious, now!)
advice..............................<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto">Dan
D<br clear=3D"all">
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-mar=
gin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"; target=3D"_blank"
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">http://dandib=
iase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto">On
Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay
<<a
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">r=
ichardolindsay@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-=
bottom-alt:auto">I
had the same problem. I disconnected the
fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and
with the coil disconnected, used the fuel
pump to pump old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto">On
Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase
<<a
href=3D"mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com";
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"tru=
e">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-mar=
gin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi
all.... My '76B, which=C2=A0was off the
road for 5 years, was recently
returned to me from the shop. They
added some new gas but did not siphon
out the 5 year old gas (which was just
under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in.
The car is running pretty rough so I
want to siphon out most of the gas
before I fill it up. It is currently
showing as just under 1/2 tank, so
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but am wondering if the interior of
the tank is baffled, as I can't seem
to move the hose beyond a certain
area and it's not sucking up any
additional gas. Would really like to
remove a couple more gallons before
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